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Welcome to the XRAY T4'18 Thread & Wikipost! Here you will find some useful info, tips and tricks as well as setups that are used by several team drivers. This wikipost is a work in progress and should continue to develop over time. Feel free to add anything you feel is useful to the community!
New for 2018: Similar to 2017, the T4'18 kit comes available in the U.S. with either a Graphite chassis (Part no. XRA300024), or Aluminum Flex chassis (Part no. XRA300024A) along with all of the great features introduced last year. We recommend the Graphite chassis for starting on asphalt, and the Aluminum Flex for starting on carpet. The big changes for 2018 are much lower center of gravity, courtesy of the Ultra Low Profile (ULP) shocks/towers and narrower weight distribution by shifting the motor in towards the center-line of the car. In moving the motor closer to the center, the topdeck and layshaft bulkheads have been re-designed. Also new this year, the motor mount includes more holes which extend further toward the rear of the car to improve traction. With the new shorter shocks, the 2018 will use the same springs as previous T4 models. What's NEW at T4 2018? Convert your '17 to '18 specs with these parts: - NEW chassis plate (3 options to chose from, Graphite, Aluminum, Alum. Flex) - NEW topdeck - NEW ULP shocks (4mm shorter than 2017) - NEW ULP shock towers (4mm shorter than 2017) - NEW Motor mount (1mm narrower than 2017) - NEW Motor mount plate - NEW layshaft bulkheads - NEW 51mm ECS ES driveshafts 301145 T4'18 CHASSIS 2.2MM GRAPHITE 301199 T4'18 UPPER DECK 2.0MM GRAPHITE 302084 ULP SHOCK TOWER FRONT 3.0MM GRAPHITE 303001-O T4'18 ALU LAYSHAFT BULKHEAD RIGHT - ORANGE 303002-O T4'18 ALU MOTOR MOUNT - ORANGE 303003-O T4'18 ALU MOTOR MOUNT PLATE - ORANGE 303085 ULP SHOCK TOWER REAR 3.0MM GRAPHITE 305221 ECS (ES) DRIVE SHAFT 51MM FOR 2MM PIN - HUDY SPRING STEEL(tm) (1) 305334 ECS ES (EXTRA STRONG) DRIVE SHAFT 51MM - HUDY SPRING STEEL(tm) - SET 308043-O ULP ALU SHOCK ADJUSTABLE NUT - ORANGE (2) 308308-O ULP ALU SHOCK ABSORBER-SET - ORANGE (2) 308324 ULP ALU SHOCK BODY (2) 308334 ULP COMPOSITE SHOCK PARTS 308354-O ULP ALU SHOCK CAP-NUT WITH VENT HOLE - ORANGE (2) Tips & Tricks: Alex Hagberg's Tech Tip Tuesday articles How to mount your Protoform LTC-R Body Setting static camber How to mount weight on your chassis Part1 How to mount the rear wing on Protoform bodies Simple troubleshooting guide How to mount the battery on your chassis How to glue your front tires for CRC Black carpet with Eric Anderson Mastering the Sanwa M12S: Utilizing Exponential and RMode How to mount weight on your chassis Part2 Mastering the Sanwa M12S: Utilizing TH-Hold ULP Shock: Building the new ULP Shock w/ Zero Rebound by Dominic Quek Team driver Tim Wahl posted some very useful build tips for the T4'16 on Facebook as he worked through building a new kit. These tips will still apply on the current model. 1- Carbon Parts 2-Suspension 3-Solid Axle and Differential 4-Bulkheads & Drivetrain 5-Driveshaft (ECS & CVD) 6-Front & Rear Suspension 7-Tweak 8-Anti-Roll Bar 9-Battery Fix (OPTIONAL) 10-Bumper & Body 11-Shocks 12-Steering Center Brace: The manual indicates using a 2mm shim under the center brace when attaching to the chassis plate. The gap is actually 3mm, so a 3mm shim should be used here. Tuning Note: On Carpet we have found that adding screws or doubling up the graphite brace will make the car react quicker to steering input, & change direction faster. Raising the graphite brace off of the aluminum bulkheads by placing a shim under it on the front and rear holes will reduce response. Using the tie-rod will reduce initial response to input, but will generate more in-corner traction or 'side-bite'. Using no brace will generate even more of this 'side-bite' but all of this is at the expense of corner speed. Best to use the tie-rod or no brace only in low-traction conditions. Additionally, the center brace increases forward traction, so removing it will potentially increase wheel-spin out of low speed corners. New Graphite Hubs: Xray have recently released some additional Graphite hubs for the T4 lineup. The 4° Graphite C-Hub has been out for some time and is known to improve steering on entry, and in general makes the car turn better. This has been the go-to c-hub on asphalt for many on the Xray team, though it is not needed on high bite carpet. The Graphite rear hub tends to make the car more stable, especially on corner entry. We are still working on gathering input on the new Graphite steering block, but for the moment feel that it should improve steering response. All Graphite parts are approximately 1g lighter than the Hard or Medium options. ARS Tuning courtesy of Ed (TryHard): If you set the ARS up with no shims under either inside or outside ball positions, it actually adds toe-in under compression, at around 1° at 5.2mm ride height (how much it adds depends how much the car compresses, obviously  )Adding shims reduces the amount added (1mm under one of the links gives about 0.5°), until the link has 2mm worth of shims (1mm either side, or 2mm on one side) makes the ARS neutral. Adding more shims then turns it into reducing toe in under compression. Whilst that might sound a bit backwards, it's actually not quite as simple as it sounds. By having the links to add toe, you gain forward traction. Also consider as the car rolls, the inside wheel is in negative compression, and the outside in compression. So the inside is toe-ing out, and the outside toe-ing in, so the whole rear is then 'steering' in the direction of the turn. Obviously the inside wheel has a lot less influence than the outside as it's far less loaded, but the effect is still there. Optional & Tuning Parts to consider: XRA301146 T4'18 ALU CHASSIS 2.0MM - SWISS 7075 T6 **For very high traction** (Approx. 108g) XRA301147 T4'18 ALU FLEX CHASSIS 2.0MM - SWISS 7075 T6 **For high traction** (Approx. 93g) XRA301169 T4'18 UPPER DECK 1.6MM GRAPHITE XRA302254 Composite Steering Block - Graphite XRA302334 Aluminum C-Hub Block - Caster 0° - Orange **Only for ARS** XRA302383 Composite C-Hub Right – 4° - Graphite (ECS) **Not recommended for high traction** XRA302384 Composite C-Hub Left – 4° - Graphite (ECS) **Not recommended for high traction** XRA302711 Brass Front Lower 1-Piece Suspension Holder - Front - FF XRA302803 1.3mm Front Anti-Roll Bar XRA303360 Composite Upright 0° Outboard Toe-In - Graphite XRA303802 1.2mm Rear Anti-Roll Bar XRA305137 Steel Solid Axle Driveshaft Adapters - HUDY Spring Steel **Highly recommend** XRA305242 Composite Drive Shaft Replacement Cap 3.5mm – Orange – Strong (QTY 4) XRA305351 Aluminum Wheel Hub – Offset “-0.75mm” – Black (QTY 2) XRA305352 Aluminum Wheel Hub - Offset “+0.75mm” - Black (QTY 2) XRA306191 T4 Graphite + Aluminum Fully Adjustable Battery Holder XRA308029 ULP ALU PROGRESSIVE SHOCK SYSTEM - SET (2) **Only for asphalt** XRA308264 4S Spring-Set Progressive C=2.5-2.8 (QTY 2) XRA308276 4S Spring-Set C=2.7 (QTY 2) XRA308286 4S Spring-Set C=2.6 (QTY 2) Recent Setups: 7-Oct - Alexander Hagberg - IIC - High Traction Carpet - Mod Q2, P2 7-Oct - Craig Xavier - IIC - High Traction Carpet - SuperStock Q5, P5 
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01-17-2018, 03:41 AM
#556
If, so that's not a real comparison.
Ed has also mentioned he's using PSS, so it won't necessarily have the same effect on standard pistons.
01-17-2018, 03:44 AM
#557
01-17-2018, 04:10 PM
#558
Tech Apprentice
Fact is after quite a bit of testing we simply can not get the 18 to go as fast on low traction asphalt with the standard ULP shock package compared to the 17!
Going by what Ed has said modifications are required to shorten the shock shafts by physically cutting them.
The whole idea of a new model is that it should be superior to the old one.
Now don"t get me wrong... I love this car... but with the 17 shocks and towers fitted.
I ALSO accept this appears to be only a problem on low-mid traction asphalt.
On a car this expensive we should not need to be modifying shock shafts or be faced with purchasing expensive option parts ( PSS ) to make them perform.
Having said that I will get the Dremel out and shorten the shafts and try again.
Last edited by Dual Fuel; 01-17-2018 at 04:21 PM.
01-17-2018, 04:16 PM
#559
My point was shortening the gap WITHOUT shortening the actual shaft did not work
Fact is after quite a bit of testing we simply can not get the 18 to go as fast on low traction asphalt with the standard ULP shock package compared to the 17!
Going by what Ed has said modifications are required to shorten the shock shafts by physically cutting them.
The whole idea of a new model is that it should be superior to the old one.
Now don"t get me wrong... I love this car... but with the 17 shocks and towers fitted.
I ALSO accept this appears to be only a problem on low-mid traction asphalt.
On a car this expensive we should not need to be modifying shock shafts or be faced with purchasing expensive option parts ( PSS ) to make them perform.
Having said that I will get the Dremel out and shorten the shafts and try again.
Fact is after quite a bit of testing we simply can not get the 18 to go as fast on low traction asphalt with the standard ULP shock package compared to the 17!
Going by what Ed has said modifications are required to shorten the shock shafts by physically cutting them.
The whole idea of a new model is that it should be superior to the old one.
Now don"t get me wrong... I love this car... but with the 17 shocks and towers fitted.
I ALSO accept this appears to be only a problem on low-mid traction asphalt.
On a car this expensive we should not need to be modifying shock shafts or be faced with purchasing expensive option parts ( PSS ) to make them perform.
Having said that I will get the Dremel out and shorten the shafts and try again.
01-17-2018, 04:26 PM
#560
Tech Apprentice
I've clarified my post. Most of the top guys are running 0.5 low and wide on FF and FR. So lower roll-centre and wider track than kit.
It seems to give more steering without making the car edgy (so more corner speed). Have a look at any setup from Olly Jefferies or Zak Finlay and they'll probably be this way.
It seems to give more steering without making the car edgy (so more corner speed). Have a look at any setup from Olly Jefferies or Zak Finlay and they'll probably be this way.
Where may I find said setup sheets from the above drivers for Asphalt racing. They do not appear to be on the Xray site.
Main reason I ask is I would like to know if they r running front pins low and wide whilst running narrow front hex's or std.
thanks again..
01-17-2018, 05:03 PM
#561
Thanks for this clarification.
Where may I find said setup sheets from the above drivers for Asphalt racing. They do not appear to be on the Xray site.
Main reason I ask is I would like to know if they r running front pins low and wide whilst running narrow front hex's or std.
thanks again..
Where may I find said setup sheets from the above drivers for Asphalt racing. They do not appear to be on the Xray site.
Main reason I ask is I would like to know if they r running front pins low and wide whilst running narrow front hex's or std.
thanks again..
01-17-2018, 05:32 PM
#563
Thanks for this clarification.
Where may I find said setup sheets from the above drivers for Asphalt racing. They do not appear to be on the Xray site.
Main reason I ask is I would like to know if they r running front pins low and wide whilst running narrow front hex's or std.
thanks again..
Where may I find said setup sheets from the above drivers for Asphalt racing. They do not appear to be on the Xray site.
Main reason I ask is I would like to know if they r running front pins low and wide whilst running narrow front hex's or std.
thanks again..
http://site.petitrc.com/reglages/xra...vante20171112/
Only changes I made were;
Narrow hexes all round
400 oil in shocks (still with PSS/8.5mm gap)
5K diff
Droop at 5.4 F, 4.4R
Worked very well for mod in medium grip asphalt, with a few bumps. But for lower traction, it lacks rear grip, so am going to be working on that this week (probably back to 3° rear toe, softer rear bar, and put the motor mount flex screw fully forward to start with)
01-17-2018, 06:59 PM
#564
What makes the 18 faster with 17 tower and shocks beside the main chassi, is 18 motor mount same as the 17 beside the extra holes plate thanks
01-17-2018, 11:24 PM
#565
Tech Apprentice
01-18-2018, 08:04 AM
#566
Pardon my ignorance, but I see folks talking about narrow hexes on the car.
Where, exactly, is this setting?
Where, exactly, is this setting?
01-18-2018, 08:11 AM
#567
https://www.amainhobbies.com/xray-14...365351/p247407
It’s a method of narrowing the track width at the wheel.
It’s a method of narrowing the track width at the wheel.
01-18-2018, 08:12 AM
#568
01-18-2018, 08:14 AM
#569
01-18-2018, 04:35 PM
#570