JMRCA change touring rule to 4cells! Is this the future?
#106
Each cell's chemical composition determines its voltage. Something about covalent electrons and other fancy words. Borrow your local high school's chemistry book or the internet for more info. Lithium Poly are 3.6-7.. these others may be mixed up but - Lithium Ion was 3v, Lithium 2.8v. These are numbers from years ago but you get the point.
#107
Tech Adept
Originally Posted by Greg Sharpe
Earlier I said it will be interesting to see where this goes. But I just can't agree with slowing the cars down. I want to go faster. Are we really in need of slower cars?
I want to go faster and if I smash into something (barriers lately) and break a few parts, then I get to re-build. To me that's fun.........
Thanks,
Matt
#108
Tech Master
Originally Posted by mpetrich
That's my point. I totally agree. While I think we deperately need to define and enforce a class for a beginner, we also need a class for speed freaks!!
I want to go faster and if I smash into something (barriers lately) and break a few parts, then I get to re-build. To me that's fun.........
Thanks,
Matt
I want to go faster and if I smash into something (barriers lately) and break a few parts, then I get to re-build. To me that's fun.........
Thanks,
Matt
#109
Tech Adept
Rebuilding is theraputic (sp)
#110
Tech Adept
I have been watching this thread with great interest and as a fairly new racer (almost 2 years racing) I love watching the skill that is displayed by the front running mod drivers and one day I hope to be able to run with them.
Ok so it does cost alot to race mod but that is part of racing if you ask me.
I just hope that we can keep a class like mod where drivers can race their cars at such high speeds.
I think that something needs to be done about the Stock (27T) class because at my club it's the people with big $$$ who buy 3800 and now 4200 batteries who keep dominating.
Just my 2c
Nick
Ok so it does cost alot to race mod but that is part of racing if you ask me.
I just hope that we can keep a class like mod where drivers can race their cars at such high speeds.
I think that something needs to be done about the Stock (27T) class because at my club it's the people with big $$$ who buy 3800 and now 4200 batteries who keep dominating.
Just my 2c
Nick
#111
Originally Posted by plucked_camel
I have been watching this thread with great interest and as a fairly new racer (almost 2 years racing) I love watching the skill that is displayed by the front running mod drivers and one day I hope to be able to run with them.
Ok so it does cost alot to race mod but that is part of racing if you ask me.
I just hope that we can keep a class like mod where drivers can race their cars at such high speeds.
I think that something needs to be done about the Stock (27T) class because at my club it's the people with big $$$ who buy 3800 and now 4200 batteries who keep dominating.
Just my 2c
Nick
Ok so it does cost alot to race mod but that is part of racing if you ask me.
I just hope that we can keep a class like mod where drivers can race their cars at such high speeds.
I think that something needs to be done about the Stock (27T) class because at my club it's the people with big $$$ who buy 3800 and now 4200 batteries who keep dominating.
Just my 2c
Nick
#112
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Originally Posted by plucked_camel
I think that something needs to be done about the Stock (27T) class because at my club it's the people with big $$$ who buy 3800 and now 4200 batteries who keep dominating.
Just my 2c
Nick
Just my 2c
Nick
#113
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It is certainly a difficult task to reduce cost that would be a “win-win” for everyone. I personally don't have the answer, but it definitely is a concern for all around the world racing todays modified.
I don't know if Japan will be success, but if they do then Formula 1 should take some notes. They have been trying for years to slow there cars down. Each year a new set of regulation are put in place to reduce there speed, and by the years end nearly all the teams are beating the times they posted from the previous year.
Just a couple of personal points to note:
Maybe all we need now is "long-life armatures and magnets"
Regards,
Peter
I don't know if Japan will be success, but if they do then Formula 1 should take some notes. They have been trying for years to slow there cars down. Each year a new set of regulation are put in place to reduce there speed, and by the years end nearly all the teams are beating the times they posted from the previous year.
Just a couple of personal points to note:
Maybe all we need now is "long-life armatures and magnets"
Regards,
Peter
#115
Manfredo, stock will always be THE MOST EXPENSIVE FORM OF RACING anyone can be in. When you restrict the motors, you get guys who buy 4, 5, 6, 7 or more motors just for 1 race, and toss them afterwards. Plus, what about the guy who goes to a race with those motors and another motor is "The Motor" to run and the guy just guessed wrong before he came? Well, now he's going to buy 4, 5, 6, 7, or more of the "Better Motor" just to get 2-3 "Good Ones". I think the key with going with 4-cells is to replace 27 Turn "stock" or spec motors with 19T motors.
Personally, I think that it is not the worst thing in the wold that not just anybody is able to control a mod touring car. This class is definately not for beginners... So I ask again: what's the point on this rule ?
#116
Tech Master
Originally Posted by Manfredo
So when we assume that stock is the most expensive form of racing (which is my opinion too) why does it make sense to anyone to add restrictions to modified racing. Now we are running 7turn Motors with 6 cells. Reducing to 4 cells would make batteries and Motors even more important...
Personally, I think that it is not the worst thing in the wold that not just anybody is able to control a mod touring car. This class is definately not for beginners... So I ask again: what's the point on this rule ?
Personally, I think that it is not the worst thing in the wold that not just anybody is able to control a mod touring car. This class is definately not for beginners... So I ask again: what's the point on this rule ?
#117
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Originally Posted by Manfredo
Personally, I think that it is not the worst thing in the wold that not just anybody is able to control a mod touring car. This class is definately not for beginners... So I ask again: what's the point on this rule ?
The intent is to slow the cars down so the risk of equipment damage is reduced. Going to 4 or 5 cells would fix this though they create their own problems too.
I would like to hear from some of the motor reps. A few of them have been saying recently that it's the current Mod motor rules that are holding them back - and with more freedom they could build motors which are as quick (if not quicker) without having to over-stress the design like the current motor situation.
#118
Cutting costs? Being competitive is ALWAYS expensive! If you're gonna cry about having to replace FET servos, you got issues! But less maintanence is good!
Weight distribution issues? Chassis mods(shifting/reallocate components), New chassis upgrades, Saddle pack chassis, 4 cell side by side sitting sideways like a 12th scale or centerline a la Losi! Ofcourse you can opt with less beefier chassis and other parts, new cars, new everything, back to cost issues?
Somehow I feel going slower makes racing more difficult! Anyone ever tried racing low end spec stuff? ie. silver can motors or trinity street spec? Its slower yes, but you also have to drive more cautiously! Very hard to make up lost time!
Revive(not that it was ever popular) pan-sedans! Assoc 10L3T, CRC Pantoura, Corally CCT! Adaptors for touring rubbers if you want; tamiya is making a F103GT!
Weight distribution issues? Chassis mods(shifting/reallocate components), New chassis upgrades, Saddle pack chassis, 4 cell side by side sitting sideways like a 12th scale or centerline a la Losi! Ofcourse you can opt with less beefier chassis and other parts, new cars, new everything, back to cost issues?
Somehow I feel going slower makes racing more difficult! Anyone ever tried racing low end spec stuff? ie. silver can motors or trinity street spec? Its slower yes, but you also have to drive more cautiously! Very hard to make up lost time!
Revive(not that it was ever popular) pan-sedans! Assoc 10L3T, CRC Pantoura, Corally CCT! Adaptors for touring rubbers if you want; tamiya is making a F103GT!
#119
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Originally Posted by kufman
After destroying several Reedy Brushless motor systems at the novak race, Barry should be the last person to want lower cell counts. Higher Current = more heat = lower life time electronic stuff.
With 6 cells your pushing the cars limits every run especially in mod.. the way the batteries keep changing and getting better eventually the speeds will get close again.. Our 4 cell oval speeds are pretty close to what 6 cell was back in the day.. Our local paved track in 2000 had a 6 cell mod record of 42 laps.. our 19 turn cars are doing that and 4 cell mod is doing 44-45 laps now..You get to a point where a car can only handle so much and go so fast...
The other thing i like about it is just like oval.. it took the volatage game away.. Your setup becomes 90% critical now.. yes it works true with 6 cells but even more so with 4...with 4 cells you only go so fast, so every extra little bit is in the chassis..
#120
Originally Posted by bender
I would like to hear from some of the motor reps. A few of them have been saying recently that it's the current Mod motor rules that are holding them back - and with more freedom they could build motors which are as quick (if not quicker) without having to over-stress the design like the current motor situation.