Qual Points For On Road Racing On Black Carpet
01-22-2017, 02:11 PM
#31
Qual Points...
Every round should count equal!!!!!
Not just the round that the track is the fastest. If you show up for round one and are a rocket it should matter....
If you fail to get your car on the track or quit because your not fastest that's on you.
Every round should count equal!!!!!
Not just the round that the track is the fastest. If you show up for round one and are a rocket it should matter....
If you fail to get your car on the track or quit because your not fastest that's on you.
01-22-2017, 02:35 PM
#33
Let's just race. I'll run both systems. Different strategies for either spices things up once and a while. Nothing wrong with that.
01-22-2017, 03:47 PM
#34
01-22-2017, 04:36 PM
#35
The points thing in qualifying would only make sense to me if you also did the re-sorts on each round so you are driving with folks in the same skill set. A lot of times, I seem to get in a first round qualifier where I have bad traffic or I am the traffic lol. Neither is good for either driver. Constantly moving out of the way for someone only hurts those guys and having them in way kills the fast guys. I would imagine in a points based system where re-sorts didn't happen as a horrible thing for all.
01-22-2017, 06:43 PM
#36
Tech Master
iTrader: (17)
To answer some of the questions that people seem to have, yes this was a local event that ran qual points and Cheng felt the need to bring it out here on Rctech for all to see.
We have a local track that we setup in a National Guard Armory every week, the event was ran on this track. There is no sub-floor and the carpet is stored in an unheated garage here in WI (it's cold, really cold). We also set up a fresh layout for all of our big(er) races. Additionally, due to the fact that we run in a space we do not own, the facility was only open for 4-5hrs total before qualifying was to start.
Due to the facts mentioned above, we decided to try out qual points. Unsurprising to many people, it was a resounding success! There were a few complaints but overall it was well received by the racers and made for an interesting race when every race counted in some way.
One thing that's worth noting, I did not see a single incident of a slower driver not moving over for a faster driver due to them being worried about those tenths of a second affecting their qual point score. Overall everyone was polite and respectful as we have come to expect from our racers.
For clubs or races looking to try qual points I would highly encourage it. The setup we used was as follows:
No seeding, first heats sorted at random.
Resort after the first round using fastest 3 consecutive laps.
Resort after second round using fastest overall run.
Resort after the third round using fastest overall run.
Any tie in points would be broken by single fastest run.
Lowest two round scored were added together to get your point total.
Obviously some people will always be opposed to it, and that is just fine. At our track, due to our situation, the traction is constantly changing. At no point during an event do we have enough laps on the track that the grip truly levels off. Obviously this isn't always the case. For example I recently attended the Hudy race at Drew's track and it ran rocket round, as most races do. At that race the grip was incredibly consistent throughout qualifying, I feel like you had a good chance to get a TQ run in out of any round. However, this is not the reality for some tracks.
Tl;dr - Qual points worked out well for us and it may work for you.
We have a local track that we setup in a National Guard Armory every week, the event was ran on this track. There is no sub-floor and the carpet is stored in an unheated garage here in WI (it's cold, really cold). We also set up a fresh layout for all of our big(er) races. Additionally, due to the fact that we run in a space we do not own, the facility was only open for 4-5hrs total before qualifying was to start.
Due to the facts mentioned above, we decided to try out qual points. Unsurprising to many people, it was a resounding success! There were a few complaints but overall it was well received by the racers and made for an interesting race when every race counted in some way.
One thing that's worth noting, I did not see a single incident of a slower driver not moving over for a faster driver due to them being worried about those tenths of a second affecting their qual point score. Overall everyone was polite and respectful as we have come to expect from our racers.
For clubs or races looking to try qual points I would highly encourage it. The setup we used was as follows:
No seeding, first heats sorted at random.
Resort after the first round using fastest 3 consecutive laps.
Resort after second round using fastest overall run.
Resort after the third round using fastest overall run.
Any tie in points would be broken by single fastest run.
Lowest two round scored were added together to get your point total.
Obviously some people will always be opposed to it, and that is just fine. At our track, due to our situation, the traction is constantly changing. At no point during an event do we have enough laps on the track that the grip truly levels off. Obviously this isn't always the case. For example I recently attended the Hudy race at Drew's track and it ran rocket round, as most races do. At that race the grip was incredibly consistent throughout qualifying, I feel like you had a good chance to get a TQ run in out of any round. However, this is not the reality for some tracks.
Tl;dr - Qual points worked out well for us and it may work for you.
01-22-2017, 07:52 PM
#38
Here is my 2 cents. Qual points or rocket round have it pro and cons. IMO if you are a better and faster driver than the person in front of you go around him without expecting him to move out of your way. That way you both can continue racing with causing someone else to crash behind you. This races is a mock version of the real racing and you do not see them moving over for someone to pass.
The points thing in qualifying would only make sense to me if you also did the re-sorts on each round so you are driving with folks in the same skill set. A lot of times, I seem to get in a first round qualifier where I have bad traffic or I am the traffic lol. Neither is good for either driver. Constantly moving out of the way for someone only hurts those guys and having them in way kills the fast guys. I would imagine in a points based system where re-sorts didn't happen as a horrible thing for all.
To answer some of the questions that people seem to have, yes this was a local event that ran qual points and Cheng felt the need to bring it out here on Rctech for all to see.
We have a local track that we setup in a National Guard Armory every week, the event was ran on this track. There is no sub-floor and the carpet is stored in an unheated garage here in WI (it's cold, really cold). We also set up a fresh layout for all of our big(er) races. Additionally, due to the fact that we run in a space we do not own, the facility was only open for 4-5hrs total before qualifying was to start.
Due to the facts mentioned above, we decided to try out qual points. Unsurprising to many people, it was a resounding success! There were a few complaints but overall it was well received by the racers and made for an interesting race when every race counted in some way.
One thing that's worth noting, I did not see a single incident of a slower driver not moving over for a faster driver due to them being worried about those tenths of a second affecting their qual point score. Overall everyone was polite and respectful as we have come to expect from our racers.
For clubs or races looking to try qual points I would highly encourage it. The setup we used was as follows:
No seeding, first heats sorted at random.
Resort after the first round using fastest 3 consecutive laps.
Resort after second round using fastest overall run.
Resort after the third round using fastest overall run.
Any tie in points would be broken by single fastest run.
Lowest two round scored were added together to get your point total.
Obviously some people will always be opposed to it, and that is just fine. At our track, due to our situation, the traction is constantly changing. At no point during an event do we have enough laps on the track that the grip truly levels off. Obviously this isn't always the case. For example I recently attended the Hudy race at Drew's track and it ran rocket round, as most races do. At that race the grip was incredibly consistent throughout qualifying, I feel like you had a good chance to get a TQ run in out of any round. However, this is not the reality for some tracks.
Tl;dr - Qual points worked out well for us and it may work for you.
We have a local track that we setup in a National Guard Armory every week, the event was ran on this track. There is no sub-floor and the carpet is stored in an unheated garage here in WI (it's cold, really cold). We also set up a fresh layout for all of our big(er) races. Additionally, due to the fact that we run in a space we do not own, the facility was only open for 4-5hrs total before qualifying was to start.
Due to the facts mentioned above, we decided to try out qual points. Unsurprising to many people, it was a resounding success! There were a few complaints but overall it was well received by the racers and made for an interesting race when every race counted in some way.
One thing that's worth noting, I did not see a single incident of a slower driver not moving over for a faster driver due to them being worried about those tenths of a second affecting their qual point score. Overall everyone was polite and respectful as we have come to expect from our racers.
For clubs or races looking to try qual points I would highly encourage it. The setup we used was as follows:
No seeding, first heats sorted at random.
Resort after the first round using fastest 3 consecutive laps.
Resort after second round using fastest overall run.
Resort after the third round using fastest overall run.
Any tie in points would be broken by single fastest run.
Lowest two round scored were added together to get your point total.
Obviously some people will always be opposed to it, and that is just fine. At our track, due to our situation, the traction is constantly changing. At no point during an event do we have enough laps on the track that the grip truly levels off. Obviously this isn't always the case. For example I recently attended the Hudy race at Drew's track and it ran rocket round, as most races do. At that race the grip was incredibly consistent throughout qualifying, I feel like you had a good chance to get a TQ run in out of any round. However, this is not the reality for some tracks.
Tl;dr - Qual points worked out well for us and it may work for you.
01-22-2017, 08:41 PM
#39
To answer some of the questions that people seem to have, yes this was a local event that ran qual points and Cheng felt the need to bring it out here on Rctech for all to see.
We have a local track that we setup in a National Guard Armory every week, the event was ran on this track. There is no sub-floor and the carpet is stored in an unheated garage here in WI (it's cold, really cold). We also set up a fresh layout for all of our big(er) races. Additionally, due to the fact that we run in a space we do not own, the facility was only open for 4-5hrs total before qualifying was to start.
Due to the facts mentioned above, we decided to try out qual points. Unsurprising to many people, it was a resounding success! There were a few complaints but overall it was well received by the racers and made for an interesting race when every race counted in some way.
One thing that's worth noting, I did not see a single incident of a slower driver not moving over for a faster driver due to them being worried about those tenths of a second affecting their qual point score. Overall everyone was polite and respectful as we have come to expect from our racers.
For clubs or races looking to try qual points I would highly encourage it. The setup we used was as follows:
No seeding, first heats sorted at random.
Resort after the first round using fastest 3 consecutive laps.
Resort after second round using fastest overall run.
Resort after the third round using fastest overall run.
Any tie in points would be broken by single fastest run.
Lowest two round scored were added together to get your point total.
Obviously some people will always be opposed to it, and that is just fine. At our track, due to our situation, the traction is constantly changing. At no point during an event do we have enough laps on the track that the grip truly levels off. Obviously this isn't always the case. For example I recently attended the Hudy race at Drew's track and it ran rocket round, as most races do. At that race the grip was incredibly consistent throughout qualifying, I feel like you had a good chance to get a TQ run in out of any round. However, this is not the reality for some tracks.
Tl;dr - Qual points worked out well for us and it may work for you.
We have a local track that we setup in a National Guard Armory every week, the event was ran on this track. There is no sub-floor and the carpet is stored in an unheated garage here in WI (it's cold, really cold). We also set up a fresh layout for all of our big(er) races. Additionally, due to the fact that we run in a space we do not own, the facility was only open for 4-5hrs total before qualifying was to start.
Due to the facts mentioned above, we decided to try out qual points. Unsurprising to many people, it was a resounding success! There were a few complaints but overall it was well received by the racers and made for an interesting race when every race counted in some way.
One thing that's worth noting, I did not see a single incident of a slower driver not moving over for a faster driver due to them being worried about those tenths of a second affecting their qual point score. Overall everyone was polite and respectful as we have come to expect from our racers.
For clubs or races looking to try qual points I would highly encourage it. The setup we used was as follows:
No seeding, first heats sorted at random.
Resort after the first round using fastest 3 consecutive laps.
Resort after second round using fastest overall run.
Resort after the third round using fastest overall run.
Any tie in points would be broken by single fastest run.
Lowest two round scored were added together to get your point total.
Obviously some people will always be opposed to it, and that is just fine. At our track, due to our situation, the traction is constantly changing. At no point during an event do we have enough laps on the track that the grip truly levels off. Obviously this isn't always the case. For example I recently attended the Hudy race at Drew's track and it ran rocket round, as most races do. At that race the grip was incredibly consistent throughout qualifying, I feel like you had a good chance to get a TQ run in out of any round. However, this is not the reality for some tracks.
Tl;dr - Qual points worked out well for us and it may work for you.
01-22-2017, 08:47 PM
#40
Montana Max
Yes I hope that's what all racers do. But yes there are some that let the track come to them. If you show up to a big event and the first time on the track your car is traction rolling, that problem is only going to get worst. If you show up and the first time out your car is pushy and loose then the track may come to you. My point asking john if he worked on his car, which I know he does. Was if the track was only changing .5 tenths is it the track or are you getting a better setup for the track. I think we can say both of the two. You get better and so does the track.
Yes I hope that's what all racers do. But yes there are some that let the track come to them. If you show up to a big event and the first time on the track your car is traction rolling, that problem is only going to get worst. If you show up and the first time out your car is pushy and loose then the track may come to you. My point asking john if he worked on his car, which I know he does. Was if the track was only changing .5 tenths is it the track or are you getting a better setup for the track. I think we can say both of the two. You get better and so does the track.
01-22-2017, 08:57 PM
#41
Round by Round Points qualifying in both on and off road is pretty much international standard now. Why do something different? We've run this format of qualifying for many many years and it works very well. The only time we consider changing to FTD format is if there is a dodgy weather forecast which would make round by Round Points qualifying unfair as there won't be a guarantee that everyone will get clear rounds.
01-22-2017, 09:20 PM
#42
Round by Round Points qualifying in both on and off road is pretty much international standard now. Why do something different? We've run this format of qualifying for many many years and it works very well. The only time we consider changing to FTD format is if there is a dodgy weather forecast which would make round by Round Points qualifying unfair as there won't be a guarantee that everyone will get clear rounds.
01-23-2017, 10:23 AM
#43
Tech Addict
iTrader: (57)
Our you guys for real. Or is this a joke? The carpet changes from round to round. No carpet I have ran on has. Almost ever race this year was re tqed in the last run. Please stop this crap and just race. Qual points are for Offroad races where the track changes a bunch. Onroad black carpet only get faster the more we run on it. Qual points would do nothing. Rocket rounds are for men that want to go fast.
Thanks,
Drew
Thanks,
Drew
01-23-2017, 10:56 AM
#44
Yes on asphalt this is the case for onroad but not sure what races you are talking about. Every carpet race in the last few years has been rocket round. Events like worlds they do qual points but this is also ran on asphalt. IIC, snowbirds, roar carpet nats and ets is not standard qual points.
USA racing is one of the last forms of on-road 10th and 12th electric racing that has not switched for big events. Boylan and Scotty have not switched because it's been the norm. We all resist change. I'm sure if racers push the issue, like in this forum, they will change.
Look at Stock and Super Stock at Snowbirds this year. Racers helped make the happen.
01-23-2017, 11:01 AM
#45
If qual points are so great, then why is there a throw out? If you really want qual points, all rounds should count or throw the best AND worst runs out. This throwing out of a bad round does away with the qual point philosophy and in my opinion "consistency" has not been rewarded. In the end, I race and accept whatever the director says, lol.