Qual Points For On Road Racing On Black Carpet
#46
Suspended

I really dont care if its rocket or qual at this point. Looking back over the last year, if it had been qual points, I wouldn't have won Nationals as I tq'd the event on the last qual, but I would of TQ'd the Halloween race. There is a plus and minus for either.
Triple A mains is something I would like to see more than a change in format even if its 4 min A mains to compensate for the extra time.
Triple A mains is something I would like to see more than a change in format even if its 4 min A mains to compensate for the extra time.
#47

Exactly and makes a guy earn the spot and not get lucky one round i mean if your truly that good to be on top why can't you do it more than once? And I believe it better evens the field on skill level because it's a resort each round have good run move up with faster guys the top of the field is usually the same guys no matter what format is used
#48

If qual points are so great, then why is there a throw out? If you really want qual points, all rounds should count or throw the best AND worst runs out. This throwing out of a bad round does away with the qual point philosophy and in my opinion "consistency" has not been rewarded. In the end, I race and accept whatever the director says, lol.
#49
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If qual points are so great, then why is there a throw out? If you really want qual points, all rounds should count or throw the best AND worst runs out. This throwing out of a bad round does away with the qual point philosophy and in my opinion "consistency" has not been rewarded. In the end, I race and accept whatever the director says, lol.
#50

Qual points worked great at this race. The crew did a good job all weekend and the racing was excellent.
#51

Everyone got faster as the weekend went on. Some more then others. Be it car prep or track conditions or both. But the fastest in each class rose to the top, qual points or not.
#52

I really dont care if its rocket or qual at this point. Looking back over the last year, if it had been qual points, I wouldn't have won Nationals as I tq'd the event on the last qual, but I would of TQ'd the Halloween race. There is a plus and minus for either.
Triple A mains is something I would like to see more than a change in format even if its 4 min A mains to compensate for the extra time.
Triple A mains is something I would like to see more than a change in format even if its 4 min A mains to compensate for the extra time.
combine qual points + shorter races + more mains + (my add) lower voltage == racing great again
#53
Tech Regular
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"In order to finish first, you must first finish"
I'm thinking qualification should be based fastest LAST lap. That way it really eliminates the need for consistency and also eliminates the whole rocket round situation.
It also eliminates the motor and battery wars....The initial hot laps generated by over peaking or this weeks hot motor are somewhat nullified after 5-8 minutes.
Also, you cant run one hot lap and blow out 2 minutes in - you do have to finish the heat. Then whoever has the fastest last lap is TQ.
I'm thinking qualification should be based fastest LAST lap. That way it really eliminates the need for consistency and also eliminates the whole rocket round situation.
It also eliminates the motor and battery wars....The initial hot laps generated by over peaking or this weeks hot motor are somewhat nullified after 5-8 minutes.
Also, you cant run one hot lap and blow out 2 minutes in - you do have to finish the heat. Then whoever has the fastest last lap is TQ.
#54

"In order to finish first, you must first finish"
I'm thinking qualification should be based fastest LAST lap. That way it really eliminates the need for consistency and also eliminates the whole rocket round situation.
It also eliminates the motor and battery wars....The initial hot laps generated by over peaking or this weeks hot motor are somewhat nullified after 5-8 minutes.
Also, you cant run one hot lap and blow out 2 minutes in - you do have to finish the heat. Then whoever has the fastest last lap is TQ.
I'm thinking qualification should be based fastest LAST lap. That way it really eliminates the need for consistency and also eliminates the whole rocket round situation.
It also eliminates the motor and battery wars....The initial hot laps generated by over peaking or this weeks hot motor are somewhat nullified after 5-8 minutes.
Also, you cant run one hot lap and blow out 2 minutes in - you do have to finish the heat. Then whoever has the fastest last lap is TQ.
now to address the quote above. Bad day to lay off huffing glue?
#56

When was the last time you looked at the results of a qual-points race and thought to yourself "Damn, that guy has NO business being in the main!"
Never. Because with qual-points, you have two variables in which one must be competent to rise to the top, not just one. You have to be fast and consistent.
Now, how many times can you think of where you are out-qualified by some guy you know you are faster than because they performed better than you in the magical mystery round? I'd render a guess that we have all experienced this at least a handful of times.
Therefore, if you weigh the pros and cons, you really can't make an argument against qual-points that is based on the skill or worthiness of a competitor who is in the A-main. Will there be some dudes worthy of being in it who miss out? Yeah, absolutely. There always are regardless of qualifying format. But will there be someone who sneaks in by chance who doesn't belong? No. Never.
You can argue that qual-points are more confusing or they cause less spectacular driving, but at the end of the day we are trying to measure one's ability to perform throughout a race program. If your track stays the same throughout the event, great; run rocket round. But if there is even the slightest bit of deviation, it should be qual-points every time. Otherwise, why even have a multi-day event? You might as well have a day of open practice and whoever turns the fastest single lap is declared the victor.
In the para-phrased words of Sebastian Vettel: "Honestly! What are we doing here? Racing? Or rolling dice in a rocket round?"
Never. Because with qual-points, you have two variables in which one must be competent to rise to the top, not just one. You have to be fast and consistent.
Now, how many times can you think of where you are out-qualified by some guy you know you are faster than because they performed better than you in the magical mystery round? I'd render a guess that we have all experienced this at least a handful of times.
Therefore, if you weigh the pros and cons, you really can't make an argument against qual-points that is based on the skill or worthiness of a competitor who is in the A-main. Will there be some dudes worthy of being in it who miss out? Yeah, absolutely. There always are regardless of qualifying format. But will there be someone who sneaks in by chance who doesn't belong? No. Never.
You can argue that qual-points are more confusing or they cause less spectacular driving, but at the end of the day we are trying to measure one's ability to perform throughout a race program. If your track stays the same throughout the event, great; run rocket round. But if there is even the slightest bit of deviation, it should be qual-points every time. Otherwise, why even have a multi-day event? You might as well have a day of open practice and whoever turns the fastest single lap is declared the victor.
In the para-phrased words of Sebastian Vettel: "Honestly! What are we doing here? Racing? Or rolling dice in a rocket round?"
#57

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Last edited by Eric Swanson; 01-24-2017 at 04:12 PM. Reason: Forgot how to computer.
#58

"In order to finish first, you must first finish"
I'm thinking qualification should be based fastest LAST lap. That way it really eliminates the need for consistency and also eliminates the whole rocket round situation.
It also eliminates the motor and battery wars....The initial hot laps generated by over peaking or this weeks hot motor are somewhat nullified after 5-8 minutes.
Also, you cant run one hot lap and blow out 2 minutes in - you do have to finish the heat. Then whoever has the fastest last lap is TQ.
I'm thinking qualification should be based fastest LAST lap. That way it really eliminates the need for consistency and also eliminates the whole rocket round situation.
It also eliminates the motor and battery wars....The initial hot laps generated by over peaking or this weeks hot motor are somewhat nullified after 5-8 minutes.
Also, you cant run one hot lap and blow out 2 minutes in - you do have to finish the heat. Then whoever has the fastest last lap is TQ.
#59
Tech Regular
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its pretty much a nascar and F1 model for qualifying..
Last edited by Sir Loin; 01-24-2017 at 05:57 PM. Reason: bad day to lay off huffing CA
#60
Tech Regular
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You may as well just require batteries to only be charged to 7.8V and the competitor only does a single lap, if the only lap that is measured is their last lap. You'd just get a bunch of people driving slow for most of the 'race' to conserve batteries, tires and temps if they knew only their last lap counted.