TeamOrion GP3700SP2 Cells
11-27-2005, 09:27 AM
#181
Originally Posted by Mdoc
wouldnt changing the voltage standard basicly obsolete every battery ever sold up to then as far as being a competitive cell to race with ?
And look at SMC's point of view regaridng IB3800s. Their superiority over any other cell makes every other cell obsolete, right?. I guess that is only if you must run IB3800s to be competitive. Which you do according to some.
We are making cells bigger so they can carry more capacity and they are being improved all the time to produce more power and are more efficient due to lower internal resistance. Why not allow a little more voltage. It is really no different than allowing any other changes.
11-27-2005, 09:37 AM
#182
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didn't the latest pentium make all other previous pentium processors obsolete?
11-27-2005, 09:43 AM
#184
I don't think the voltage is as big of deal as the size....they honestly need to get them as close to being like a normal 6 cell as possible......way too many cars would have to be completely redesigned......costing racers big bucks...
Lithium of some sorts, has a bright future in RC.....just don't be blinded by it....companies like Orion, SMC, etc will all figure out how to optimize the performance of the cells just like they did with NicD and NiMH....
Later EddieO
Lithium of some sorts, has a bright future in RC.....just don't be blinded by it....companies like Orion, SMC, etc will all figure out how to optimize the performance of the cells just like they did with NicD and NiMH....
Later EddieO
11-27-2005, 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Rick Hohwart
In a sense, yes. But look at modified class racing for instance. Didn't the introduction of 3700 mAh and 3800 mAh cells make anything with less capacity obsolete?
We are making cells bigger so they can carry more capacity and they are being improved all the time to produce more power and are more efficient due to lower internal resistance. Why not allow a little more voltage. It is really no different than allowing any other changes.
We are making cells bigger so they can carry more capacity and they are being improved all the time to produce more power and are more efficient due to lower internal resistance. Why not allow a little more voltage. It is really no different than allowing any other changes.
good point, it seemed the voltage change was more drastic but in the end better batteries of any kind do the same thing
11-27-2005, 10:24 AM
#186
Originally Posted by EddieO
I don't think the voltage is as big of deal as the size....they honestly need to get them as close to being like a normal 6 cell as possible......way too many cars would have to be completely redesigned......costing racers big bucks...
Lithium of some sorts, has a bright future in RC.....just don't be blinded by it....companies like Orion, SMC, etc will all figure out how to optimize the performance of the cells just like they did with NicD and NiMH....
Later EddieO
Lithium of some sorts, has a bright future in RC.....just don't be blinded by it....companies like Orion, SMC, etc will all figure out how to optimize the performance of the cells just like they did with NicD and NiMH....
Later EddieO
LiPo's can be made really small and any shape you want so that really frees the car designers to make real performance improvements.
11-27-2005, 10:25 AM
#187
[QUOTE=EddieO
Lithium of some sorts, has a bright future in RC.....
Later EddieO[/QUOTE]
Yes Li-Poly has a very bright future & the Nickle Metals ?
Not so bright .....
And
That new Orion Li-Poly 4800 ?
Fits all my AE just fine ,cept the 1/12th`s.....
Imagine that , the battery matcher`s don`t even have a clue how to zap Li-poly`s battery`s....
Is`nt that a good thing ?
Even cell voltage for everyone !!
Lithium of some sorts, has a bright future in RC.....
Later EddieO[/QUOTE]
Yes Li-Poly has a very bright future & the Nickle Metals ?
Not so bright .....
And
That new Orion Li-Poly 4800 ?
Fits all my AE just fine ,cept the 1/12th`s.....
Imagine that , the battery matcher`s don`t even have a clue how to zap Li-poly`s battery`s....
Is`nt that a good thing ?
Even cell voltage for everyone !!
11-27-2005, 10:27 AM
#188
Originally Posted by Rick Hohwart
Why not allow a little more voltage. It is really no different than allowing any other changes.
11-27-2005, 10:37 PM
#192
Originally Posted by ottoman
well... IB won mod TC I believe... and with a Trinity motor
11-28-2005, 12:22 AM
#193
Well, a fully charged IB3800, while racing stock or 19t, probably doesn't even get down to 7.2 volts. I know when I take my car off the track and start discharging, it still takes a minute for it to get to 7.2 volts on about a 17 amp discharge......
The first minute or so, the pack is around 7.6+...ish
So, if LiPo were only 7.4 volts, then it wouldn't be an advantage really. But I am sure the voltage is rated under load, as NiMH are. 1.2 nominal under load. (but not 40 amps) But the IB's are at 35!!!!!!
The first minute or so, the pack is around 7.6+...ish
So, if LiPo were only 7.4 volts, then it wouldn't be an advantage really. But I am sure the voltage is rated under load, as NiMH are. 1.2 nominal under load. (but not 40 amps) But the IB's are at 35!!!!!!
11-28-2005, 12:46 AM
#194
I'm kind of scared to post this info as I have been very active lately and been accused of bashing Orion. The fact is that LiPo can't withstand to the high amp draw we place on these cells in RC car racing. They will not hold up as long as NiMh cells. I was told this info from a leading LiPo manufacturer. Our IB3806E packs have a street price of 45-50 bucks what is the cost of LiPo pack ?
11-28-2005, 01:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Danny/SMC
I'm kind of scared to post this info as I have been very active lately and been accused of bashing Orion. The fact is that LiPo can't withstand to the high amp draw we place on these cells in RC car racing. They will not hold up as long as NiMh cells. I was told this info from a leading LiPo manufacturer. Our IB3806E packs have a street price of 45-50 bucks what is the cost of LiPo pack ?
this does not make you a bad person
takes 2 to tango & oscar is fighting the GP corner anyways
so if they bash you, you bash them back
why do you think this thread has a good following (human nature)
li-po is the future though, orion are closest yet to the size thing & amp draw
if it went brushless motors & li-po batts there be no tinckering to make your cars go faster (how boring) yes/no ??