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Old 06-06-2019, 11:40 AM
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X-ray quality bla bla bla... lol yes they use better aluminium and spring steel and charge you plenty for it. Break a part, which you will and you will see what it will cost.

TC chassis is like the motor of the month. Everyone flocks to the brand the fast guys are running.

Our top driver ran the 419x and dominated. He became curious on the MTC1 and suddenly 5 other guys picked one up. As if this week he has moved to Serpent and no one is running the MTC1 now. By next week probably 5 Serpents will show up.

Between the AE, Mugen, X-ray, BD6 and Tamiya.. honestly there is little difference. Two of them have heavy weight pro drivers to help sell their brand. Each one has its gimmick new feature that they sell as a 100% make over when its less than 1% change. I for one love the shock and diff detail on the mugen. But its not going to make me faster

The only companies that challenge the norm are Serpent and Awesomatix. If you want to speak of quality, design and originality, I would give them the awards, not the self proclaimed luxury brand of RC with its fugly orange anodising (sorry dont like orange)

So if I ever depart from Tamiya.. would be for Awesomatix

As for our blue brand.. Maybe its my imagination but somehow since disbanding TRF.. Tamiya seems to be listening more. We have SS BB shock up date, we finally have open ended ball cups, new stabiliser rod ends, aluminium diff housing and pulley.


The XR gave us updates roll bar holders and 3mm motor mount vs 2.6mm..

What is still amiss are updated front C Hubs.. so they are still Deaf on that front.
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Not asking about what fast driver did what or what car has cool features. And no one cares what the pros drive most of us are not pros and can do nothing with a car like they can.
the question is about a same driver different car lap times. Vs a Tamiya

not sure if anyone has noticed people switching to awesomatix from brand z
go faster same type of deal happens with brand z to xray.

looking for info if anyone tested a 419xr vs a800 , bd9 or t4 19
not who is fast at your club and with what we also don’t need a bunch of so and so went fast and everyone bought
That’s not important we are NOT ALL followers some are yes this isnt about any of that it’s about
people testing cars to see if they are faster then the 419xr with same parameters

I did same driver same electronics 419xr vs tc7.2 and same person driving and same person setting up both cars the 419xr is consistently faster

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I feel a TRF Car can hold it's own anywhere / on any surface. I use to be (still am) a TRF fan.. Use to race the cars but couldn't trust it to finish a main if I tapped even once lightly compared to brand x and x.

I went from Tamiya to Yokomo back in 16 and never looked back. It's going to be hard to find a direct comparison with the same Racer, electronics and two different kit's. At the end of the day if you put your soul into a RC and tap into the Rc force lol...any car will perform. Currently Tamiya seems to always be a step behind the major brands imo on the latest TC kit. In the past Tamiya use to push the envelope. Where now they almost want to see what is trending and get the die hard Blue treasure racers to buy the "latest" kit a season after it should of been out. Look how long it took for a alum chassis plate option for the 419, 419X, 419WS and 419XR to be release for each version / motor mount set up. I feel this is a reason a lot of racers are staying away from the Ex lover brand of TRF.
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Some new parts.. many of which Im totally confused about lol
  • 42341 TRF419 Aluminum Rear Uprights 2 Degree
  • 42342 TRF419 Aluminum Rear Uprights 3 Degree
  • 42343 5.8mm Cylinder caps - 5.8mm balls
  • 42344 5.8mm Ball connector Nuts (8 pcs)
  • 54879 TRF419 Aluminum Front Direct Cups
  • 54880 Aluminum Adjustable Suspension Mount (XB)
  • 54881 Aluminum Adjustable Suspension Mount (A)
  • 54882 Aluminum Adjustable Suspension Mount (E)
  • 54883 Aluminum Adjustable Separate Suspension Mount (XB)
  • 54884 Aluminum Adjustable Separate Suspension Mount (A)
  • 54885 Aluminum Adjustable Separate Suspension Mount (E)
  • 54921 Reinforced Swing Shaft Caps Front/Rear (2pcs.ea)
  • 54922 Adjustable Suspension Mounts Bushings
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Originally Posted by Raman View Post
Some new parts.. many of which Im totally confused about lol
  • 42341 TRF419 Aluminum Rear Uprights 2 Degree
  • 42342 TRF419 Aluminum Rear Uprights 3 Degree
  • 42343 5.8mm Cylinder caps - 5.8mm balls
  • 42344 5.8mm Ball connector Nuts (8 pcs)
  • 54879 TRF419 Aluminum Front Direct Cups
  • 54880 Aluminum Adjustable Suspension Mount (XB)
  • 54881 Aluminum Adjustable Suspension Mount (A)
  • 54882 Aluminum Adjustable Suspension Mount (E)
  • 54883 Aluminum Adjustable Separate Suspension Mount (XB)
  • 54884 Aluminum Adjustable Separate Suspension Mount (A)
  • 54885 Aluminum Adjustable Separate Suspension Mount (E)
  • 54921 Reinforced Swing Shaft Caps Front/Rear (2pcs.ea)
  • 54922 Adjustable Suspension Mounts Bushings
New 5.8mm ball connector nuts and cylinder caps.


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Those I get.. the 2.0 and 3.0 uprights plus all the adjustable suspension arms.. they all seem redundant in writing.

In the old days we had the uprights with the different degrees. Then came the alphabet suspension arm holders and the upright was 0.

Current trend with competitors are suspension arm holders with inserts to set toe

Now we have adjustable alphabet suspension arm holders.. whats the adjustment lol.

Then we also have inserts

I'm sure it will all clear up once we have better explanation and more pictures
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PS how do you like the new suspension pieces Tom?
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Originally Posted by Raman View Post
PS how do you like the new suspension pieces Tom?
Durability is better than old system. Bleeder hole is now marked into the plastic. You have to drill it with 1mm. Plastic itself is rock hard and it's a pain to put the new 5.8mm balls on it. You have to use the long V-parts for the 419x arms because of outer hole position, or damper retainers will collide with lower arms, especially in rear. But it also alters the way how the dampers work. If have to test on track, if it's good or bad.

The 5.8mm balls have little play in the the plastic caps on the axis side. I can move damper ~1mm back and forth. Don't know if this is a new "feature" to become dampers more free in movement or its a fault of first batch. Other tolerances of parts are very tight.


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The new 5.0 balls that came with 419x were already great. I wonder why the change from 5.0 to 5.8?
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Originally Posted by Raman View Post
The new 5.0 balls that came with 419x were already great. I wonder why the change from 5.0 to 5.8?
Don't know why...but plastic tree has parts for 5.0mm too. But then you have to use the original black cylinder caps. You have then a choice.

Part V3 for 5.8mm has other dimensions than original part for 5.0mm and it sure makes damper unit more rigid.

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Originally Posted by Raman View Post
Some new parts.. many of which Im totally confused about lol
  • 42341 TRF419 Aluminum Rear Uprights 2 Degree
  • 42342 TRF419 Aluminum Rear Uprights 3 Degree
  • 42343 5.8mm Cylinder caps - 5.8mm balls
  • 42344 5.8mm Ball connector Nuts (8 pcs)
  • 54879 TRF419 Aluminum Front Direct Cups
  • 54880 Aluminum Adjustable Suspension Mount (XB)
  • 54881 Aluminum Adjustable Suspension Mount (A)
  • 54882 Aluminum Adjustable Suspension Mount (E)
  • 54883 Aluminum Adjustable Separate Suspension Mount (XB)
  • 54884 Aluminum Adjustable Separate Suspension Mount (A)
  • 54885 Aluminum Adjustable Separate Suspension Mount (E)
  • 54921 Reinforced Swing Shaft Caps Front/Rear (2pcs.ea)
  • 54922 Adjustable Suspension Mounts Bushings
Look like insert based suspension mounts, and the rear uprights might be so you can do a "zero-toe" arm setting. This has been out of fashion in touring cars for a while, so will be interesting to see what Tamiya have in mind. It's also possible that the toe in rear uprights are intended for another car, that happens to share the upright dimensions with the 419.
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Originally Posted by Raman View Post
Those I get.. the 2.0 and 3.0 uprights plus all the adjustable suspension arms.. they all seem redundant in writing.

In the old days we had the uprights with the different degrees. Then came the alphabet suspension arm holders and the upright was 0.

Current trend with competitors are suspension arm holders with inserts to set toe

Now we have adjustable alphabet suspension arm holders.. whats the adjustment lol.

Then we also have inserts

I'm sure it will all clear up once we have better explanation and more pictures
As with the other brands who are using the same system, the range of the adjustments is limited. To cover the full range different range suspension blocks are needed. It's no different then Yokomo is using:


So Tamiya will probably have something like this (probably also with height adjustment)

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Originally Posted by sosidge View Post
Look like insert based suspension mounts, and the rear uprights might be so you can do a "zero-toe" arm setting. This has been out of fashion in touring cars for a while, so will be interesting to see what Tamiya have in mind. It's also possible that the toe in rear uprights are intended for another car, that happens to share the upright dimensions with the 419.
Not true, Awesomatix is using the "zero-toe" arm setting" as long as i can remember...
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Tamiya #54922 - Adjustable suspension mount inserts

Now you can imagine, what is coming soon...
Seems there are only 3 main suspension blocks left in the future - A, E and XB. All further settings will be made with the inserts.


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Hmm...TRF420...
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