I 'd love on road to be more popular but that wasn't the reason for my suggestions--just a better car.

17.5 on road is a different animal and the only way to achieve parity (with the smaller packs) would be ONLY shortys or don't even bother. But in Mod? Couldn't you just run a hotter wind/more boost or is it not that simple?

Why aren't slippers or 3 diffs allowed in a TC? Any actual sound reasoning or some old weirdo rule? Not that I see the point of a slipper in a TC just the idea that it is "illegal" for whatever reason.

You're fighting the wrong battle.

The rules for the class have developed over time and have derived from a number of influences. Most of which are in the interests of keeping the class healthy, competitive and cost effective.

They are not in place to restrict development - instead they define what the class is.

If you start changing the dimensions, the drivetrain and the bodyshells - you aren't running a touring car any more. There is ample scope for innovation in a touring car - the Awesomatix is more or less the complete opposite of a conventional belt-drive touring car and it is completely legal.

It is just that the market is very mature now and most of the manufacturers are very conservative. I started touring car racing in 2001 and every new release was packed full of new ideas. Sadly that is not the case any more.

So let's get her back on track.

Does anyone have a release date yet?

Sorta TRF419 related,

I managed to catch up with Jilles Groskamp just before he set off to race in this years worlds, here is a link to the interview :)

http://www.thercracer.com/2014/10/ra...-groskamp.html

as to the release date, I was told late November.

:lol::lol::lol::lol:


Those are not new to on-road (center 1-ways and mid-motor config, for example), but they eventually died out of use for a reason. All these companies spend a lot on research and dev't, with proper racers and engineers to come up with solutions, and you'd think they're not even trying? :lol:

On-road and Off-road have differing sets of requirements, so saying "this-and-that is absent in on-road, while it is there in off-road, therefore on-road is on a stand still in development" is a bit misconstrued or lacking in development.

Anyway, all of these (on and off road) are built with function first in mind. If something is needed to be fast, it will be there. If not, it will be changed and/or improved.

+1 take a look at the GT8 class where they convert Buggys to onroad. The brushless versions end up removing the centre diff and replacing it with a spool, or locking the centre diff. You don't need a centre diff on asphalt.

As for Aluminium chassis. All end users are looking for the next new advance and companies are looking to make some new $. Unfortunately, not all new ideas are better. While In the off-road world an aluminium is a better choice than carbon.. It's more durable and won't be compromised by nicks. However in the onroad world, it's just another gimmick to make new sales or sell an additional hop up chassis. With carbon you can weave flex into different parts of the chassis. You can try that with aluminium, I suppose by thinning / milling out the section, but it won't be as fluid as carbon because your removing material to achieve this, whereas with carbon your building the weave into the chassis.

Ha. You said "Aluminium".

I can't find any IFMAR or ROAR rule outlawing slippers or center diffs. The only drivetrain things I found were that ROAR requires 4WD, IFMAR say 4WD or 2WD (front or rear, both are ok), and IFMAR says you cannot run a one-way bearing in the rear for front wheel braking only, the rear must be able to have braking effect from the ESC it says. That last one is interesting, I guess a FWD car is an exception for that, unless you were to run a one-way in the rear but installed it backwards.

Well I did learn English in good ole United Kingdom :)

Dang imperialists.

Looks like its between Tamiya and Yokomo for the worlds, the Yokomo being slightly ahead. The Tamiya drivers seem happy with the TRF419 in open practice.

Just wondering, when does Tamiya release a worlds edition kit after winning the worlds? Do they release both the standard 419 and the worlds or just one or the other?

today we will know more. the rankings are all on three lap pace and not many were doing full 5 min runs. most guys were mixing up their chassis to see which one they prefered - some even mixed during the heats.

Bit hard to say what they will do.

in recent times they have released the "new" car in a non worlds year (as was the 418) and then the update iteration afterwards.

I think if they win, we will see the "standard" 419 plus a limited worlds edition that includes some bonus parts or similar.

So looks like I was right on the pulleys :D

More teeth, bigger housing, more oil, tougher gears. Nice. Oh, and black too - which is actually a negative I think, I like being able to see when there is crud in my pulley so I can clean it out!!

"Jilles mentioned that the pulleys are larger than those on the 418, which makes the car accelerate more smoothly and feels like it has more traction, and both will be black as the plastic doesn’t show dirt as much as the white plastic on the prototype pulley seen here."

High chance 39t too. No need for a new injection moulding die that way as they can just take the front from the TA06. Save a bit of coin, why not!

I am not sure about that. The gear housing half looks different on the outside.

And it's not going to make life easy for stock classes, with the new internal ratio. Hopefully will move to a higher tooth count for the center pulleys (don't hold your breath).

I'm referring to the 39t spool pulley that is available for the TA06. The diff is all new for sure. The 503/06 one takes the same gears as the previous diff and has the same oil volume.

This new diff is different internal ratio (inside the diff) but this won't effect the FDR - the larger pulley on the diff/spool will though. It's just the relative size of the small/large bevel gears inside. This will effect the diff action, not the drive. They might just be the gears from the Evo6? The old diff is 20:12 the Evo6 is 18:10.

If the diff/spool pulleys are 39t and they keep the 20t centres, it will be 1.95 - pretty much back to what the 417 was with 37:19 (1.947)