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Skiddins 02-10-2016 01:42 AM


Originally Posted by CraigM (Post 14384333)
Did you watch ETS round 1? His car was dialled. This round they had 2 mins of practice only before qualifying, I don't think you should read too much into it.


Originally Posted by RedBullFiXX (Post 14384503)
If ETS carpet provided very high traction, I doubt most drivers would be using LTCR bodies ?

The grip, particularly on the Saturday, was higher than in Czech (warmer conditions etc as well as different under carpet surface)
We had the same thing last year, the extra grip reduced steering in Germany.
Sure it isn't as high as the new CRC carpet, but when running open Mod, boosted with 30m+ straight you're going to want turn in ;)

You can only run an LTC-R if you have plenty of grip (on carpet at least)

Marcika 02-10-2016 01:56 AM


Originally Posted by 190mph (Post 14384410)
The TRF car are made for winning IFMAR championships which are held on outdoor asphalt tracks and have the chassis flex for that purpose.

That said, I had some progress this week actually following the setup sheet
for the Carpet Setup by Qatmix "TheRCRacer" with the exception of Simmi's recommendation of completely removing the suspension block shims both front and rear and using 1F rear suspension block. I was about 0.8 to 1.0 seconds off the pace all year it seems from the best 1 or 2 drivers fast lap stamp and with both setup and the Fantom motor just put in place of the LRP X12 even though I geared down 2 teeth thinking that would be the way to go to get away from others charging me down, I was able to get in the 0.6 to 0.8 range back on fast lap to fast lap comparison.

So FDR is now at 4.33 but I need to get into the 3.8 range. I had 3 of the fast guys try my car out and it is topping out too early and definitely one of them also feeling what I see as my car is wasting time settling the suspension before getting on the gas again. So mid corner and exiting, car still unsettled and speed not the greatest.

My setup sheet from Sunday:

http://s12.postimg.org/srxu7lo5p/Mer...7_FEB_2016.jpg

Hey,

My advise would be as follow:
- change front suspension spacer from 2.5 to 1mm --> will turn the car much quicker
- front stabilizator shouldnt be touched in my opinion, stay with KIT:1.3, play only in the reat: try 1.3/1.4 (yokomo)
- try yok blue spring all around/Much more pink spring
- 450/400 oil, with 1-2mm rebound all around, 3 piston holes
- body: LTCR

with 17.5t motor I would go max 2.5 degree in pivot block, general starting point would be 2 degree for me. you need speed, 3 degree locks the car a lot and motor doesnt have that much power to compensate. how other guys going in the rear?

What I have experienced, with "F" block there is enough traction, so set up of camber angle of 2 degree not sure needed, Front -1.8, rear -1.5 might be also an improvement, however this is what I would change last. If you move rear pivot blocks 2 degree ("D" instead of "F") I also suggest to move camber angle 2 degree all around.
Rest looks ok to me.

hope it helps. I also posted one of my stock setup sheet couple of pages before, it works really great for me. 0.2second/lap, 4-5mp per 5 minute race behind X-ray/Yokomo top guys. next weekend I will test the LP shock towers, which just arrived :-). Hope I will be able to close this gap with that.

Simmi 02-10-2016 02:25 AM


Originally Posted by 190mph (Post 14384421)
Other items on the horizon to try:

Mazda Speed 6 Body
Stiffer Springs move up 1 level on front and back
Sorex 32 Tires
Thicken up the Diff Oil to 4000, not sure about 5000
Actually use my SkyRC Corner Weight Scales and Balance the car!

Low Profile Shock Towers set
Yokomo SLF Short Shocks II Set with all the upgrade in Shaft, Oring and Bladders
Yeah Racing Aluminum C Hubs 4 Degree as these Plastic TA05 ones are flexy
(at 12USD a set, I can stock up on these and build a jig to measure the angles to check for a bend. I will also install Xray Hard Bumper and Square RC Front Wide Resin Suspension Guard to protect the suspension more)

I recommend no aluminum C hubs because a crash and those things are useless. Those things only deform all too easily.

I use only this TA05 C hubs even at mega chrashes no demage and a little play is no problem :nod:

Qatmix 02-10-2016 08:00 AM


Originally Posted by Simmi (Post 14384666)
I recommend no aluminum C hubs because a crash and those things are useless. Those things only deform all too easily.

I use only this TA05 C hubs even at mega chrashes no demage and a little play is no problem :nod:

I have used the Square hubs. They are superb and very strong (That's why they cost 3 times as much) The issue is that they are 5 degrees so I ended up going back to the plastic ones for a little more turn in.

As an aside. Does anyone know the distance in width between each of the Tamiya Suspension blocks? I.e if I go from C-C front to B-B front how much more narrow will the car be.

Thanks

niznai 02-10-2016 08:53 AM


Originally Posted by Qatmix (Post 14384946)
I have used the Square hubs. They are superb and very strong (That's why they cost 3 times as much) The issue is that they are 5 degrees so I ended up going back to the plastic ones for a little more turn in.

As an aside. Does anyone know the distance in width between each of the Tamiya Suspension blocks? I.e if I go from C-C front to B-B front how much more narrow will the car be.

Thanks

About 1mm assuming we're talking about 1B/1C holders.

Qatmix 02-10-2016 10:13 AM


Originally Posted by niznai (Post 14385032)
About 1mm assuming we're talking about 1B/1C holders.

Cheers :) I always thought it was 0.5mm wider on each side (hence 1mm) but it seems to be a little less (0.4mm-0.375) Maybe I need to re-calibrate my verniers.

niznai 02-10-2016 10:26 AM

Get two of the old style single piece holders lined up next to each other and the difference is going to be about 1mm if they're one size apart.

vwvrt 02-10-2016 10:44 AM

Just tried the rc racer xtra low shock towers with my vbc shocks and these shock are slightly too long . But perfect with the first low shock towers rc racer did. Also recommend the radtec alu chassis been using it now for 3 months and it's still dead flat. And works really well on med / high grip tracks.

Kurtracing 02-10-2016 11:38 AM

hello,

I am running 10.5 motor in stock class.
Do you think it will be better with the aluminium chassis for carpet than the with carbon ?

I read the aluminium is better for mod class !

thank's

vwvrt 02-10-2016 12:22 PM

The alu chassis is good if your getting grip roll lower centre of gravity. Also it makes the car smoother / less reactive / generate less grip. Also if your having to add a lot of weight , it weighs about 35 gms more than the carbon chassis.

Kurtracing 02-11-2016 11:35 AM


Originally Posted by vwvrt (Post 14385333)
The alu chassis is good if your getting grip roll lower centre of gravity. Also it makes the car smoother / less reactive / generate less grip. Also if your having to add a lot of weight , it weighs about 35 gms more than the carbon chassis.

Thank's :nod:

190mph 02-12-2016 02:46 AM

For Aluminum Chassis, I like the idea of the Samix one with the battery holder cradles parts and the optional battery stopper front and rear parts.

ogreasurada 02-12-2016 10:56 PM

Is it still a good moment to get the 419? or a new chassis is coming out soon?

yifuqiao 02-12-2016 11:12 PM

man, I saw you guys talking about c-hubs.
Today, I broke 4 c hubs on a asphalt track this morning.
A light tap on the wooden board, and bye bye C hub.
My 419 has been on track for about 40 hours, so far, I have replaced front drive shafts*2 pair = $40, spec R DCJ drive shafts = 40, 4 pair graphite c hubs=$28, 3 pair plastic c hubs = $14.

On the other hand, My T4 only needed 16 dollars spent for replacement parts so far and it has been on track for 16 hours.

I am really scared of driving my 419 at the moment, it just seems to hard to drive.
It is more like a mental thing, I have to be 1000% concentrate to drive 419 cuz I am just afraid to break thing...

190mph 02-13-2016 02:23 AM


Originally Posted by yifuqiao (Post 14388726)
man, I saw you guys talking about c-hubs.
Today, I broke 4 c hubs on a asphalt track this morning.
A light tap on the wooden board, and bye bye C hub.
My 419 has been on track for about 40 hours, so far, I have replaced front drive shafts*2 pair = $40, spec R DCJ drive shafts = 40, 4 pair graphite c hubs=$28, 3 pair plastic c hubs = $14.

On the other hand, My T4 only needed 16 dollars spent for replacement parts so far and it has been on track for 16 hours.

I am really scared of driving my 419 at the moment, it just seems to hard to drive.
It is more like a mental thing, I have to be 1000% concentrate to drive 419 cuz I am just afraid to break thing...


40 Hours on your TRF419? That breakage would not be bad then. That means you have run 6 minutes practice or qualifier or main races like 400 times this year.


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