Hot Bodies Cyclone
04-13-2006, 01:36 PM
#3571
Originally Posted by kewdawg
How? 
I've always found the opposite. When you shorten the wheelbase on a touring car, the car rotates better - which has to mean there's a reduction in traction (at some point), right?
I've always found the opposite. When you shorten the wheelbase on a touring car, the car rotates better - which has to mean there's a reduction in traction (at some point), right?The car can turn faster since it is shorter. In fact, many times going to a softer spring in the rear will also make a car rotate faster. Rotation does not imply loss of rear side bite. Sliding indicates loss of rear side bite and or traction.
04-13-2006, 04:22 PM
#3572
does anyone know where I could find some spacers that's used inside the diff?
It's the part# Z857 5x8x1.0mm
It's the part# Z857 5x8x1.0mm
04-13-2006, 04:28 PM
#3573
Originally Posted by RaceAce701
I foun that my belt rubs the servo saver adjustment collar on the stering post.
i also had it rub the servo horn 2 its just a spacing issue play withe shims on the layshaft tod move the pulley more 2 the right
i also had it rub the servo horn 2 its just a spacing issue play withe shims on the layshaft tod move the pulley more 2 the right
Originally Posted by robk
The car can turn faster since it is shorter. In fact, many times going to a softer spring in the rear will also make a car rotate faster. Rotation does not imply loss of rear side bite. Sliding indicates loss of rear side bite and or traction.
Originally Posted by lookinco
does anyone know where I could find some spacers that's used inside the diff?
It's the part# Z857 5x8x1.0mm
It's the part# Z857 5x8x1.0mm
04-13-2006, 04:39 PM
#3575
Originally Posted by prodriver
Hi Guys, could someone email me how get rid of the wobble on the diffs and any other little fixes on the car?
Also regarding setting the droop on the car as in the manual if you use the hpi guage it says 7 on the front and 6 on the rear but if you check this on the guages this is no lift at all? coudl someone explain
thanks Ricky
Also regarding setting the droop on the car as in the manual if you use the hpi guage it says 7 on the front and 6 on the rear but if you check this on the guages this is no lift at all? coudl someone explain
thanks Ricky
Wobble is normal all you will find that most if not all belt cars will have this wobble.
If you don't have any uptrable with those setting then check to make sure you built the car properly. You should have some uptrable
04-13-2006, 05:03 PM
#3576
For those that are running the GTB 4.5R system, what spur and pinion do you use?
04-13-2006, 06:27 PM
#3577
Originally Posted by robk
Rotation does not imply loss of rear side bite.
Originally Posted by robk
Sliding indicates loss of rear side bite and or traction.
04-13-2006, 07:14 PM
#3578
Cars that rotate well don't slide the ass end around the corner. Cornering does imply a slip angle, but yeah, there is a lot of diff action in a car that rotates.
You can get on the throttle with a car that is rotating, which means there is some part of the traction circle left to do that. If your car is sliding, it either squares up because of the 4wd, or does a donut, or at least wants to and is harder to drive because of it.
A lot of guys get a car to rotate harder by going to a softer rear spring. You're letting the car dump over onto the outside tire. Tranferring weight laterally does cause a loss of cornering power, or traction. It also lets that outside tire help turn the car. But it's not uncontrolled, or a power slide or any of that. The car usually has a hooked up feeling as well, vs. "oh crap, I don't want to spin this thing". I race carpet, so maybe rotate has a different meaning for you if you race asphalt. This is just what I know.
You can get on the throttle with a car that is rotating, which means there is some part of the traction circle left to do that. If your car is sliding, it either squares up because of the 4wd, or does a donut, or at least wants to and is harder to drive because of it.
A lot of guys get a car to rotate harder by going to a softer rear spring. You're letting the car dump over onto the outside tire. Tranferring weight laterally does cause a loss of cornering power, or traction. It also lets that outside tire help turn the car. But it's not uncontrolled, or a power slide or any of that. The car usually has a hooked up feeling as well, vs. "oh crap, I don't want to spin this thing". I race carpet, so maybe rotate has a different meaning for you if you race asphalt. This is just what I know.
04-13-2006, 07:48 PM
#3579
Originally Posted by robk
Cars that rotate well don't slide the ass end around the corner. Cornering does imply a slip angle, but yeah, there is a lot of diff action in a car that rotates.
You can get on the throttle with a car that is rotating, which means there is some part of the traction circle left to do that. If your car is sliding, it either squares up because of the 4wd, or does a donut, or at least wants to and is harder to drive because of it.
A lot of guys get a car to rotate harder by going to a softer rear spring. You're letting the car dump over onto the outside tire. Tranferring weight laterally does cause a loss of cornering power, or traction. It also lets that outside tire help turn the car. But it's not uncontrolled, or a power slide or any of that. The car usually has a hooked up feeling as well, vs. "oh crap, I don't want to spin this thing". I race carpet, so maybe rotate has a different meaning for you if you race asphalt. This is just what I know.
You can get on the throttle with a car that is rotating, which means there is some part of the traction circle left to do that. If your car is sliding, it either squares up because of the 4wd, or does a donut, or at least wants to and is harder to drive because of it.
A lot of guys get a car to rotate harder by going to a softer rear spring. You're letting the car dump over onto the outside tire. Tranferring weight laterally does cause a loss of cornering power, or traction. It also lets that outside tire help turn the car. But it's not uncontrolled, or a power slide or any of that. The car usually has a hooked up feeling as well, vs. "oh crap, I don't want to spin this thing". I race carpet, so maybe rotate has a different meaning for you if you race asphalt. This is just what I know.
04-13-2006, 10:55 PM
#3580
Hey hara already release their step 4 shock preparation on their web site http://www13.ocn.ne.jp/~mirage-j/
04-14-2006, 04:30 PM
#3582
Tech Master
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Hub vs.Arm
Got back from testing.Moved the hubs forward and cured the looseness mid corner/corner exit.Tried both arm forward and hub.There is a difference but,it's hard to describe.Hub forward felt more comfortable.As far as slip/rotate...I'll add my 2 cents.I THINK,to corner propely one has to have the proper AMOUNT of slip.Too little and the car squares,too much and it wobbles/spins.I read an interview once with Gary Anderson( designer/engineer) when he was with Jordan F1,and he said that they determined for that car to run properly/best,around 30%slip in the corners worked for them.I THINK,it also has to do with a BALANCE of slip/traction between the front and rear for a car to properly rotate in a corner.You can't have one end "outgrip"the other for proper arcing thru the corner.For example,just moving the hubs forward for more rear effective traction today didn't do it all.I had to increase front stiffness also.Went from a 30lb.spring to a 36lb.spring.Balance achieved.The concept shouldn't change per surface,just maybe the ratios.And last,with a wink,Normal size thang here,but an overactive mind maybe.Mario.
04-15-2006, 05:02 AM
#3583
just an idea how to build in brushless....
(sorry, only a handy pic...)
(sorry, only a handy pic...)
04-15-2006, 07:52 AM
#3584
robk
Do you have an update on reversing the rear shock location ?
Curious as to what you found.
Thanks.
Do you have an update on reversing the rear shock location ?
Curious as to what you found.
Thanks.
04-15-2006, 09:11 AM
#3585
Hey Leini, what's the weight of your chassis with the brushless ESC and motor and batteries but withouot wheel and tires?