dave-man

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https://mcallisterracing.com/shop?ol...ta-body&page=2

robk

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No this is not about " fast guys being fast". Its about ruining the class with all the things that are ruining all the other classes. For some reason, every thing has to be faster and faster. It's not bringing out more people. Letting everything go is also not making racing better. Are on road turnouts booming?

robk

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Watch this video, from the actual beginning stages of vta. Compare the speed to today's speed.

moparSRT

Adding stupid rules will not bring back on road racing, rules need to be simple ... dissecting the weight of individual components is not the way, cars already need to weigh 1450g, 99.9% of us club racers will not notice a 5 or 10g difference in body weight.
And today vta is still the slowest class.

Zerodefect

17.5 TC, VTA, and USGT need to figure out a way to work together and be one single class. Touring cars can go back to scale bodies and spoke wheels with slicks, maybe drop down to 21.5. USGT can stay about the same, but spoke wheels and slick tires.. VTA can just move up to 21.5 and and the same spoke wheels with TC slicks. 17.5 and USGT are running similar times, and while VTA is massively slower, it's NOT easier to drive. Most of those guys can drive a USGT just fine.

There's no reason for there to be three TC classes diluting the racing. 12th scale needs to do the same. Figure out a way to bring racers together into one bigger group.

One week there's a dozen USGT's and nothing else, next week it's 17.5's and nothing else. We're wasting practice time swapping motors at the track. And some racers are turning away or avoiding racing all together, when their pet class has weak turnouts.

I have a hunch that nobody wants more racers, at all. Absolutely unacceptable track advertising, useless facebook pages, and info lacking websites.

robk

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You're free to run the cars at 1320 g with 8000 mah packs. Lightweight bodies too. Run sedan wings on the back if you want. I wont be at your track to stop you.

Fyi there is, or was a bunch of guys running 1s 17.5 vta in Minnesota at one point. They completely ignored all our motor and battery rules.

Kregger

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Every time I hear the rules need to be kept simple, you know there is going to be someone who does something they shouldn't because it's "not in the rules".
Yes its still the slowest class but its speed is creeping up along with all the other classes.

jammin684

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I have been out of touch with VTA for awhile. Could someone in the thread enlighten me as to what's going on with stuff I've been reading about like car weight, light weight bodies and changing motor sizes? You can keep it brief as I can pick up on it.
Was hoping to get back racing VTA, but now I don't know. Thanks to all.

Kevin Marcy

And some people just don't get it. The rules should NOT be written based on the lightest, newest, most cutting edge cars & parts available. Not in any class, especially not in USVTA. In off-road, the weight limit for 2wd Buggy in 2019 is actually heavier than it was in 2000. Touring car used to be 1502g in 2000. If you subtract the weight difference between a 6-cell Nimh & a 2S-6000 Lipo from this number, you get 1375g (not the 1320 everyone argues in favor of), and this is for the "high tech" class.

sps3172

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Are you seriously suggesting that there can be no middle ground between a dictatorship and VTA cars that turn into 1300g 25.5 sedans?

XSRCdesign

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robk

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Yep

old_dude

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I for one appreciate that Rob took on writing rule sets for these classes. F1 was heading nowhere fast until he pulled it under his wing. He basically created VTA and USGT. I know he keeps his eye out for issues that may come up and handles them in a way that has always been in the best interest of those classes. Please don't attack the man just because he happens to add or modify a rule that you personally don't like. He is a racer and a good one. He understands very well what is going on. Keep up the good work. But hey could you get us a better tire? Lol

dave-man

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Per the rules - Grinding of tire tread is NOT permitted. Sanding of mold seam to remove seam is allowed. No other altering, changing or softening of the tire is allowed.

I know for a fact that guys are not following this rule in order to make the tires usable. (Heck, I've tried different things to break them in) I've heard of drills, tire saucing followed by tire warmers at "x" temps for "x" minutes, etc. The tires out of the package are (insert whatever word you want here). There is no way a person can mount a new set of tires and compete with someone who has broken in a set of tires using some special process.

I'm perfectly content with all the other rules (incl. the min. body weight), however, if I could change one thing.....

metalcrafter

WGTR is a completely different animal , running on pan car chassis . Which
is pretty antiquated given the solid axle in the back & an un-damped suspension
up front. Of course it won't happen but existing AWD cars with tthe front belts/outdrives
removed would make a great 2WD true VTA car. Some of our local VTA drivers are faster
than the 21.5 touring cars . Perhaps reverting to 2WD would make things more realistic,
after all that's the intent of the class !