VBC new 1/10 touring car, Wildfire.
#781
Tech Regular
I had the same problem. But it is on a high grip asphalt track. After trying lot of different things I change the camber from f/r 1.5 to f/r 1 and problem solved. As the car have too much both front and rear grip the tires simply can't take it. Give it a try and see would it help.
#783
Its been all over the board trying to get this issue fixed.
Generally speaking this is where I left off today:
Sweep Blues
Ride height - 5mm f/r
Front
0.5º toe out
1.5º camber
Arms in middle
Red Springs
Top, 2nd hole out
Bottom, outermost hole
Camber link
3rd hole out on camber block, 2mm spacer
Steering links - rear most hole
Droop is 3 on Dynamite droop gauge
Red swaybar
Belt, medium
Rear
Toe, stock, 3 deg I think?
1.5º camber
Arms forward (1 1mm spacer forward)
Orange rear springs
Top, 3rd hole out
Bottom, outermost hole
Camber link
3rd hole out on camber block, 3mm spacer
outermost hole on hub
Droop is 3 on dynamite gauge
Red swaybar
Belt, loose
Orion 17.5
Tekin RS
JRS9100Z servo
49T pinion
96T Spur
1000wt diff oil
Protoform LTCR
At first I thought, maybe I've made the rear too soft and the rear of the chassis is hitting the ground as it rolls in the corners more causing it to lose a little rear grip, but I stiffened the rear quite a bit and didn't notice much difference (other than the rear getting really loose obviously)
Am I missing anything?
Generally speaking this is where I left off today:
Sweep Blues
Ride height - 5mm f/r
Front
0.5º toe out
1.5º camber
Arms in middle
Red Springs
Top, 2nd hole out
Bottom, outermost hole
Camber link
3rd hole out on camber block, 2mm spacer
Steering links - rear most hole
Droop is 3 on Dynamite droop gauge
Red swaybar
Belt, medium
Rear
Toe, stock, 3 deg I think?
1.5º camber
Arms forward (1 1mm spacer forward)
Orange rear springs
Top, 3rd hole out
Bottom, outermost hole
Camber link
3rd hole out on camber block, 3mm spacer
outermost hole on hub
Droop is 3 on dynamite gauge
Red swaybar
Belt, loose
Orion 17.5
Tekin RS
JRS9100Z servo
49T pinion
96T Spur
1000wt diff oil
Protoform LTCR
At first I thought, maybe I've made the rear too soft and the rear of the chassis is hitting the ground as it rolls in the corners more causing it to lose a little rear grip, but I stiffened the rear quite a bit and didn't notice much difference (other than the rear getting really loose obviously)
Am I missing anything?
Some more ideas worth trying, i think.
Rear:
Camber: -2
Rollbar: Green.
Spring: Green.
1mm shim under FR block.
No shim under RR block.
Droop 4
Front:
Camber: -1
Droop 2
1.5mm shim under FF block.
1.5mm shim under FR block.
If its loose as soon as you are getting on power, possibly turn down the curve on your TX?
Really hope you manage to resolve the problem, please keep us posted.
#784
Tech Master
iTrader: (36)
I had the same problem. But it is on a high grip asphalt track. After trying lot of different things I change the camber from f/r 1.5 to f/r 1 and problem solved. As the car have too much both front and rear grip the tires simply can't take it. Give it a try and see would it help.
Hi Seth,
Some more ideas worth trying, i think.
Rear:
Camber: -2
Rollbar: Green.
Spring: Green.
1mm shim under FR block.
No shim under RR block.
Droop 4
Front:
Camber: -1
Droop 2
1.5mm shim under FF block.
1.5mm shim under FR block.
If its loose as soon as you are getting on power, possibly turn down the curve on your TX?
Really hope you manage to resolve the problem, please keep us posted.
Some more ideas worth trying, i think.
Rear:
Camber: -2
Rollbar: Green.
Spring: Green.
1mm shim under FR block.
No shim under RR block.
Droop 4
Front:
Camber: -1
Droop 2
1.5mm shim under FF block.
1.5mm shim under FR block.
If its loose as soon as you are getting on power, possibly turn down the curve on your TX?
Really hope you manage to resolve the problem, please keep us posted.
On another note, do you think I could have too much steering/ackermann? I'm thinking that maybe the tire turns too far in and acts like a pivot, grabs and the rear end comes around? I realize that majority of the work is on the outside tire, but just trying to think of something else. Seems to only do it at 3/4 steering or more. Car handles really well otherwise.
Thanks!
Seth
#785
Tech Master
iTrader: (17)
Thanks guys, I'll give those ideas a try tonight.
On another note, do you think I could have too much steering/ackermann? I'm thinking that maybe the tire turns too far in and acts like a pivot, grabs and the rear end comes around? I realize that majority of the work is on the outside tire, but just trying to think of something else. Seems to only do it at 3/4 steering or more. Car handles really well otherwise.
Thanks!
Seth
On another note, do you think I could have too much steering/ackermann? I'm thinking that maybe the tire turns too far in and acts like a pivot, grabs and the rear end comes around? I realize that majority of the work is on the outside tire, but just trying to think of something else. Seems to only do it at 3/4 steering or more. Car handles really well otherwise.
Thanks!
Seth
#786
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You posted you are running the hole farthest back on the steering block correct? If you are you can change the inner shimming at the steering rack to 3.5mm and that will give you 5 1/2-6* ackermann difference. Also when you set up your steering throw on your setup gauges make it so the outside wheel has 16* of throw both ways. This ackermann setup has worked the best for me so far. Good balance of low and high speed steering.
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#787
shock
Hi guys,
I have a question....how do i get the shock to have rebound after shock cap drilled with 1 mm bit???i have tried to tighten the shock cap with the shock shaft at full length (to retain maximum oil volume) but it seems to be stuck at 0 rebound....
i'm ok with 0 rebound as at now...but just in case if i need to have some rebound....how do i do it???
I have a question....how do i get the shock to have rebound after shock cap drilled with 1 mm bit???i have tried to tighten the shock cap with the shock shaft at full length (to retain maximum oil volume) but it seems to be stuck at 0 rebound....
i'm ok with 0 rebound as at now...but just in case if i need to have some rebound....how do i do it???
#788
Tech Master
iTrader: (17)
Hi guys,
I have a question....how do i get the shock to have rebound after shock cap drilled with 1 mm bit???i have tried to tighten the shock cap with the shock shaft at full length (to retain maximum oil volume) but it seems to be stuck at 0 rebound....
i'm ok with 0 rebound as at now...but just in case if i need to have some rebound....how do i do it???
I have a question....how do i get the shock to have rebound after shock cap drilled with 1 mm bit???i have tried to tighten the shock cap with the shock shaft at full length (to retain maximum oil volume) but it seems to be stuck at 0 rebound....
i'm ok with 0 rebound as at now...but just in case if i need to have some rebound....how do i do it???
#790
Tech Addict
iTrader: (27)
Hi guys,
I have a question....how do i get the shock to have rebound after shock cap drilled with 1 mm bit???i have tried to tighten the shock cap with the shock shaft at full length (to retain maximum oil volume) but it seems to be stuck at 0 rebound....
i'm ok with 0 rebound as at now...but just in case if i need to have some rebound....how do i do it???
I have a question....how do i get the shock to have rebound after shock cap drilled with 1 mm bit???i have tried to tighten the shock cap with the shock shaft at full length (to retain maximum oil volume) but it seems to be stuck at 0 rebound....
i'm ok with 0 rebound as at now...but just in case if i need to have some rebound....how do i do it???
#792
Tech Elite
iTrader: (93)
I need some setup help guys. I have struggled with a lack of rear grip (or just too much steering) the first 2 races. It has gotten better and better but I still don't think its is where it should be. The car seems to be rolling too much as well as the chassis is dragging pretty bad through the sweepers as there is a lot of markings on the chassis. Not scratches but looks more like traction compound build up from dragging? Anyways, just curious if I'm thinking the correct way, I want to run thicker rear oil which will slow the body roll down correct? Still trying to wrap my head around all the different aspects of setup.
Current setup is:
front
top of shock is 3rd hole in from the outside
bottom is all the way out
white springs
40wt asc oil
3 hole pistons
5.5mm ride height
1mm shims under toe blocks
0 toe
-1.25 camber
1mm front 3mm rear for wheelbase shims
white sway bar
front camber link is 3rd hole out
2mm shim under the inside ballstud
rear
all the way in on top
all the way out on bottom
green springs
30wt asc oil
3hole pistons
5mm ride height
0 shims under toe blocks
3.0 toe
-2.5 camber
3mm front 1mm rear wheelbase shims
green sway bar
1st hole inside and inside hole on the hub
1mm shim outside 2mm shim inside
droop is 2mm ORH all around
First two races I had to run sweep 32 front and 28 rear. Now I'm on 32's all around and saucing 2/3 to 3/4 front.
Current setup is:
front
top of shock is 3rd hole in from the outside
bottom is all the way out
white springs
40wt asc oil
3 hole pistons
5.5mm ride height
1mm shims under toe blocks
0 toe
-1.25 camber
1mm front 3mm rear for wheelbase shims
white sway bar
front camber link is 3rd hole out
2mm shim under the inside ballstud
rear
all the way in on top
all the way out on bottom
green springs
30wt asc oil
3hole pistons
5mm ride height
0 shims under toe blocks
3.0 toe
-2.5 camber
3mm front 1mm rear wheelbase shims
green sway bar
1st hole inside and inside hole on the hub
1mm shim outside 2mm shim inside
droop is 2mm ORH all around
First two races I had to run sweep 32 front and 28 rear. Now I'm on 32's all around and saucing 2/3 to 3/4 front.
#793
Tech Elite
iTrader: (46)
I need some setup help guys. I have struggled with a lack of rear grip (or just too much steering) the first 2 races. It has gotten better and better but I still don't think its is where it should be. The car seems to be rolling too much as well as the chassis is dragging pretty bad through the sweepers as there is a lot of markings on the chassis. Not scratches but looks more like traction compound build up from dragging? Anyways, just curious if I'm thinking the correct way, I want to run thicker rear oil which will slow the body roll down correct? Still trying to wrap my head around all the different aspects of setup.
Current setup is:
front
top of shock is 3rd hole in from the outside
bottom is all the way out
white springs
40wt asc oil
3 hole pistons
5.5mm ride height
1mm shims under toe blocks
0 toe
-1.25 camber
1mm front 3mm rear for wheelbase shims
white sway bar
front camber link is 3rd hole out
2mm shim under the inside ballstud
rear
all the way in on top
all the way out on bottom
green springs
30wt asc oil
3hole pistons
5mm ride height
0 shims under toe blocks
3.0 toe
-2.5 camber
3mm front 1mm rear wheelbase shims
green sway bar
1st hole inside and inside hole on the hub
1mm shim outside 2mm shim inside
droop is 2mm ORH all around
First two races I had to run sweep 32 front and 28 rear. Now I'm on 32's all around and saucing 2/3 to 3/4 front.
Current setup is:
front
top of shock is 3rd hole in from the outside
bottom is all the way out
white springs
40wt asc oil
3 hole pistons
5.5mm ride height
1mm shims under toe blocks
0 toe
-1.25 camber
1mm front 3mm rear for wheelbase shims
white sway bar
front camber link is 3rd hole out
2mm shim under the inside ballstud
rear
all the way in on top
all the way out on bottom
green springs
30wt asc oil
3hole pistons
5mm ride height
0 shims under toe blocks
3.0 toe
-2.5 camber
3mm front 1mm rear wheelbase shims
green sway bar
1st hole inside and inside hole on the hub
1mm shim outside 2mm shim inside
droop is 2mm ORH all around
First two races I had to run sweep 32 front and 28 rear. Now I'm on 32's all around and saucing 2/3 to 3/4 front.
#794
Hi All,
I have a two part setup question, I was wondering what the effect would be of changing the position of the rear link in the hub carrier from the outside position (kit setup) to the inner position. Then, also what effect would changing the inner rear camber link to a position closer to the chassis centerline?
There are some new Wildfire parts on the REDRC site, maybe you might have missed them, unfortunately I cant post links yet.
Thanks very much.
I have a two part setup question, I was wondering what the effect would be of changing the position of the rear link in the hub carrier from the outside position (kit setup) to the inner position. Then, also what effect would changing the inner rear camber link to a position closer to the chassis centerline?
There are some new Wildfire parts on the REDRC site, maybe you might have missed them, unfortunately I cant post links yet.
Thanks very much.
#795
Tech Adept
Hi guys, I want to order a wildfire because I want to switch from top.
What spare parts and option parts would you recommend? And does anybody know if there are parts I can carry over from the photon ex to the wildfire? I mean parts I could use when I break something that I don't have as spare part by vbc but maybe from top. I have tons of top parts left over^^
Thanks for your help
Regards
Chris
What spare parts and option parts would you recommend? And does anybody know if there are parts I can carry over from the photon ex to the wildfire? I mean parts I could use when I break something that I don't have as spare part by vbc but maybe from top. I have tons of top parts left over^^
Thanks for your help
Regards
Chris