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hobbs 10-29-2012 03:16 AM


Originally Posted by wtcc (Post 11379812)
What do you want a gear diff in front for?

I want it to make my car turn in better and to have a planted back end when accelerating. If you fill it with hard oil or even putty it will handle like a soft spool. So why not use a spool? The 3000cst worked best for me on the mentioned track.

If you have the time do some testing with different diff oils. The use of a gear diff also depends on the track layout and the way of your driving style (point to shoot or round flowing).

Thanks for sharing,

in the front diff, i have used 80,000 cst, 150,000 cst, 300,000 cst, but never as low as 3,000 cst.
Will try that....

:nod::nod::nod:

wtcc 10-29-2012 04:42 AM

So now I need your help guys! It would also be nice if you, Rick (Hohwart), could give a comment.

I had a race on very high grip carpet last weekend and had two major problems with the car:

1. grip roll
2. very slow cornering

The setup sheet shows my setup in its final development stage on sunday (I arrived with a quite common setup on saturday). The overall handling/balance was very good, but the car was like slow motion in the corners and wanted to roll in the fast flowing corners.

http://www.abload.de/thumb/tc6.1_wc_mac_laufibpez.png

Here are some pictures of the track. It has a very slim racing line with sticky traction:

http://www.abload.de/img/img_0948d6ksk.jpg

http://www.abload.de/img/img_0947qrk9d.jpg

M.Abramowicz 10-29-2012 05:30 AM


Originally Posted by wtcc (Post 11379932)
So now I need your help guys! It would also be nice if you, Rick (Hohwart), could give a comment.

I had a race on very high grip carpet last weekend and had two major problems with the car:

1. grip roll
2. very slow cornering

The setup sheet shows my setup in its final development stage on sunday (I arrived with a quite common setup on saturday). The overall handling/balance was very good, but the car was like slow motion in the corners and wanted to roll in the fast flowing corners.

Not too much camber at front?

Maybe some ca-glue on front tires sidewalls? It will do for you 'slipp' on that fast corners and front end will slighty push not roll over ...

YoDog 10-29-2012 08:02 AM

Lower roll center, harder tires and less droop is a good place to start. Exaggerated negative camber can also help but you will want to leave that as a last resort due to tire-ware issues.

racing_jason 10-29-2012 08:27 AM


Originally Posted by wtcc (Post 11379932)
So now I need your help guys! It would also be nice if you, Rick (Hohwart), could give a comment.

I had a race on very high grip carpet last weekend and had two major problems with the car:

1. grip roll
2. very slow cornering

The setup sheet shows my setup in its final development stage on sunday (I arrived with a quite common setup on saturday). The overall handling/balance was very good, but the car was like slow motion in the corners and wanted to roll in the fast flowing corners.

http://www.abload.de/thumb/tc6.1_wc_mac_laufibpez.png

Here are some pictures of the track. It has a very slim racing line with sticky traction:

http://www.abload.de/img/img_0948d6ksk.jpg

http://www.abload.de/img/img_0947qrk9d.jpg


where was the car grip rolling? Entry of Corner Exit mid?
The way the car is set up it looks like you are trying to get alot of off power steering? If it was me I would run less rear droop to start you state only 4.5 i would try like 5.5-6
Also i would drop your rear diff fluid from 3000 to maybe like 1000 or even lower
Another piece would be switch your springs around run purple up front and then blue in the back.
Also maybe less sauce time, maybe like 15 or less?
Just some ideas for you.
Thanks Jason

Resqnu 10-29-2012 08:33 AM

Revtech 17.5....HT rotor or not
 
I will be running a new Revtech 17.5 motor in my car. Should I use the stock rotor or the High Torque rotor?

Rick Hohwart 10-29-2012 09:10 AM


Originally Posted by hanzo3 (Post 11378847)
Is there slop in the wc version? How do I fix it on a regular 6.1?

The hinge pins should be tight in the hub carrier and the caster block. You can drill a hole in both parts and use a set screw to remove slop.


Originally Posted by Vostok 7 (Post 11378868)
Can anyone tell me if the turnbuckles are set to different lengths between the FT and the WC? Also if there are any special instructions for the bearing caps?

The manual for the WC isn't up on the AE site yet.

They are the same length and there are no special instructions for the bearing caps. Their installation is self explanatory.


Originally Posted by JFuel11 (Post 11379038)
Who is running a Gear Diff in the front?

I run a gear diff on asphalt. Silicone ear plug material works well. You want to start by filling it as much as possible then you can remove some material to tune it.

I have also played with 1 million weight silicone. This feels the best in my opinion. There is a company that sells 2 million which would be even better I think.


Originally Posted by wtcc (Post 11379932)
So now I need your help guys! It would also be nice if you, Rick (Hohwart), could give a comment.

I had a race on very high grip carpet last weekend and had two major problems with the car:

1. grip roll
2. very slow cornering

The setup sheet shows my setup in its final development stage on sunday (I arrived with a quite common setup on saturday). The overall handling/balance was very good, but the car was like slow motion in the corners and wanted to roll in the fast flowing corners.

You can try one or more of the following:

1. Widen the track at the suspension mounts. I think your car is too narrow for very high grip. I would add 2mm to each side at the front. Then possible add some to the rear starting with .5mm.
2. Longer wheelbase. Go to 1mm as shown on the setup sheet.
3. Less negative camber -1 to -1.5 all around.
4. Lower ride height if you are allowed to and the car does not drag.
5. Lower suspension mounts. Try 1 step at a time all around and see if this helps.

But it could be something as simple as tire additive. I would start by reducing the time you leave the additive on the front tires. Try 30 minutes in the rear and 10 minutes on the front to see what happens. You can also cover less of the front tire. At the very least do not extend the additive tot he edge. But 50% coverage might be good.

trigger 10-29-2012 09:18 AM


Originally Posted by Resqnu (Post 11380637)
I will be running a new Revtech 17.5 motor in my car. Should I use the stock rotor or the High Torque rotor?

Blinky- high torque
Boost- stock rotor is fine

Vostok 7 10-29-2012 09:18 AM

Thanks Rick, my second set of WC bearing caps should be here soon.

jha07 10-29-2012 09:20 AM

I'm new to the TC6.1, so I don't know if this is normal. After my second race, I notice a CVA blade was broken. That same day, another guy at the race broke two CVA blades, but he was running a much faster motor. Is there something that can be done to make them last longer?

Rick Hohwart 10-29-2012 09:44 AM


Originally Posted by jha07 (Post 11380838)
I'm new to the TC6.1, so I don't know if this is normal. After my second race, I notice a CVA blade was broken. That same day, another guy at the race broke two CVA blades, but he was running a much faster motor. Is there something that can be done to make them last longer?

These will break from impact. The motor power is not really a factor than that when you run a faster motor you tend to hit the wall harder.

There is not much that can be done to solve the problem other than to try and hit fewer obstacles. Using the slipper spool instead of the straight spool can lessen the impact and will definitely improve blade life. A very tight gear diff will do the same.

Resqnu 10-29-2012 09:46 AM

Set up tools
 
Thank for everyones help....I ordered the TC6.1ft. I will be messing around in parking lots and trying racing on a concrete track.
What are the minimum set up tools needed for a tc? Not looking to spend to much as this is my first try at touring and want to make sure I like. But I also want to be able to set my car up as needed to enjoy the car and bring it up to racing standards. I've been racing sct 2 &4wd for years and spare no expense on them. I hope I will enjoy racing tc just as well and if so with buy the best set up tools.
Many thanks for everyones help.

wtcc 10-29-2012 09:48 AM

Thank you very much guys! I will try these things!

Did I have an error in reasoning when I tried shorter higher positioned armmounts to make the car less roll?

Rick Hohwart 10-29-2012 09:58 AM


Originally Posted by wtcc (Post 11380959)
Thank you very much guys! I will try these things!

Did I have an error in reasoning when I tried shorter higher positioned armmounts to make the car less roll?

It will roll less this way. Lowering them will allow the car to roll more and may make it less likely to snap over.

RussF 10-29-2012 10:05 AM


Originally Posted by Resqnu (Post 11380954)
What are the minimum set up tools needed for a tc?

The kit droop gauge and a good square ruler are really all thats needed. Its easy to eyeball camber from the ruler and measure each turnbuckle. Make sure to measure on a flat surface and you should be fine.

However a ride hight gauge is a good investment and will make measuring ride hight much easier. Also RPM makes a cheap camber and toe gauge.


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