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07-02-2017, 08:53 PM
#6242
Couldn't we all just race mod? I don't see this kind of worry in 1/8 scale off-road with e buggy or nitro. Stock racing seems to drive the most cost of anything i have ever done which is the opposite of its intent. You guys act like all the fast guys should be in mod and are cherry picking vta and USGT. Around here, Indianapolis, mod doesn't exist. It's usgt, vta, 17.5 or don't race. So motor, battery, or body of the week. None of our indoor tracks are even big enough to use a mod motor power, so that right there would equalize field.
You can only go so fast before you are blowing your car to pieces by wrecking. Somebody pull you on the straight, well they better know how to brake, or they will break.
You can only go so fast before you are blowing your car to pieces by wrecking. Somebody pull you on the straight, well they better know how to brake, or they will break.
Not everyone can drive mod. GT is supposed to be a fun class hence capping at 17.5 and also making it different to 21.5 TC
I think it's working, just needs more traction
07-02-2017, 10:24 PM
#6243
Tech Addict
Putting a price cap on motors would change nothing.
All that would happen is the "baseline" motor sells for the cap max. Then the same company, or some after market company offers a tuning service separate form the price. Those that can, will pay for the options. Just like they do now.
Also getting blasted on the straight, actually has a lot to do with how you come out of the corner. The guys that seem faster are carrying more speed and get on throttle sooner. Speed on the straight is greatly effected by setup and driving
All that would happen is the "baseline" motor sells for the cap max. Then the same company, or some after market company offers a tuning service separate form the price. Those that can, will pay for the options. Just like they do now.
Also getting blasted on the straight, actually has a lot to do with how you come out of the corner. The guys that seem faster are carrying more speed and get on throttle sooner. Speed on the straight is greatly effected by setup and driving
07-02-2017, 10:36 PM
#6244
Tech Addict
the point is, it's supposed to be equal in stock (remember handouts) and it's supposed to be for intermediate racers.
What happens is the big dogs that can't cut it in mod, run stock to pump egos. Then the guys in stock start getting beat, so those that can afford it buy better gear. This is the top 20%, which leaves the other 80% hung out to dry. This causes many to quit and thus depleting the ranks, tracks close, etc.
This IS what's happening, shouldn't we do what's good for the many?
As far as a $150 cap, that's about double what it should be. USGT is supposed to be a class that is slower/appealing to newer racers. Motor cap of $80, min wt back up to 1450g (to get those tub chassis guys back in). Tire rule and body rules work the way they are just fine.
What happens is the big dogs that can't cut it in mod, run stock to pump egos. Then the guys in stock start getting beat, so those that can afford it buy better gear. This is the top 20%, which leaves the other 80% hung out to dry. This causes many to quit and thus depleting the ranks, tracks close, etc.
This IS what's happening, shouldn't we do what's good for the many?
As far as a $150 cap, that's about double what it should be. USGT is supposed to be a class that is slower/appealing to newer racers. Motor cap of $80, min wt back up to 1450g (to get those tub chassis guys back in). Tire rule and body rules work the way they are just fine.
07-03-2017, 03:59 AM
#6246
Tech Master
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I don't know if someone posted this but fixed timing will only work if the motor manufacturer can't build motors that are within a couple of degrees, motor to motor and batch to batch. That also goes for the rotor strength, symmetry and stator resistance. At a manufacturing price of $25/motor that is very hard to do. A supplier going through 1000+ motors to verify this also takes time and time is $$$. If it could be done it would be fantastic but from my manufacturing experience I know it would be very tough.
Not raining on the parade, just pointing out the reality of mass manufacturing and the tolerances needed to make us happy.
Not raining on the parade, just pointing out the reality of mass manufacturing and the tolerances needed to make us happy.
07-03-2017, 04:28 AM
#6247
it was for the motor but we also use it for offroad so for those that run it in a buggy they can switch over.
07-03-2017, 08:21 AM
#6248
only way lock time motors work, if a club or event uses the same motor company. You cant mix and match...New Reedy lock motors are set at 45 deg...while others like the HW are 30 deg...
also a cap isnt going to solve it also. Even if I wasnt sponsored, and the motor was a spec motor with a cap at $80, Im well off to purchase 4 or more to get a good one...so I have a $320 motor, until I sale the other 3 off to the new kid looking to get in the class.....
humm, that $150 motor starting to look good to me....
but FYI...there is a motor that is just as fast if not faster than those high priced motors, and I was very impressed this weekend...
also a cap isnt going to solve it also. Even if I wasnt sponsored, and the motor was a spec motor with a cap at $80, Im well off to purchase 4 or more to get a good one...so I have a $320 motor, until I sale the other 3 off to the new kid looking to get in the class.....
humm, that $150 motor starting to look good to me....
but FYI...there is a motor that is just as fast if not faster than those high priced motors, and I was very impressed this weekend...
07-03-2017, 10:25 AM
#6249
I find it funny that some people will Rationalize, that the Rising cost of RC equipment is a Good thing for the Hobby.
The price for Entering and Remaining in VTA / GT RC racing is high enough.
Some say well you dont need that expensive equipment but if you dont have good stuff you are automatically at a disadvantage.
For Me I think $150 is too much for a motor. I guess thats the price to be paid to try to be competitive, every 6-9 months . ( I dont consider myself competitive in GT)
My motors are all a Generation Old (or more ) and the new motors keep getting faster.
The price for Entering and Remaining in VTA / GT RC racing is high enough.
Some say well you dont need that expensive equipment but if you dont have good stuff you are automatically at a disadvantage.
For Me I think $150 is too much for a motor. I guess thats the price to be paid to try to be competitive, every 6-9 months . ( I dont consider myself competitive in GT)
My motors are all a Generation Old (or more ) and the new motors keep getting faster.
07-03-2017, 11:20 AM
#6250
motor
only way lock time motors work, if a club or event uses the same motor company. You cant mix and match...New Reedy lock motors are set at 45 deg...while others like the HW are 30 deg...
also a cap isnt going to solve it also. Even if I wasnt sponsored, and the motor was a spec motor with a cap at $80, Im well off to purchase 4 or more to get a good one...so I have a $320 motor, until I sale the other 3 off to the new kid looking to get in the class.....
humm, that $150 motor starting to look good to me....
but FYI...there is a motor that is just as fast if not faster than those high priced motors, and I was very impressed this weekend...
also a cap isnt going to solve it also. Even if I wasnt sponsored, and the motor was a spec motor with a cap at $80, Im well off to purchase 4 or more to get a good one...so I have a $320 motor, until I sale the other 3 off to the new kid looking to get in the class.....
humm, that $150 motor starting to look good to me....
but FYI...there is a motor that is just as fast if not faster than those high priced motors, and I was very impressed this weekend...
07-03-2017, 12:51 PM
#6252
hot motors are in the 27.5-29 range per coil.
rotor and timing will change its power band and fade .
ive played with gearing/timing from 3.6-4.0 with similar results on fast lap but have different fade results .
motors with epoxy have less fade ive noticed also
rotor and timing will change its power band and fade .
ive played with gearing/timing from 3.6-4.0 with similar results on fast lap but have different fade results .
motors with epoxy have less fade ive noticed also
07-03-2017, 03:19 PM
#6253
Tech Addict
only way lock time motors work, if a club or event uses the same motor company. You cant mix and match...New Reedy lock motors are set at 45 deg...while others like the HW are 30 deg...
also a cap isnt going to solve it also. Even if I wasnt sponsored, and the motor was a spec motor with a cap at $80, Im well off to purchase 4 or more to get a good one...so I have a $320 motor, until I sale the other 3 off to the new kid looking to get in the class.....
humm, that $150 motor starting to look good to me....
but FYI...there is a motor that is just as fast if not faster than those high priced motors, and I was very impressed this weekend...
also a cap isnt going to solve it also. Even if I wasnt sponsored, and the motor was a spec motor with a cap at $80, Im well off to purchase 4 or more to get a good one...so I have a $320 motor, until I sale the other 3 off to the new kid looking to get in the class.....
humm, that $150 motor starting to look good to me....
but FYI...there is a motor that is just as fast if not faster than those high priced motors, and I was very impressed this weekend...
It might not solve it but it would certainly tighten things up and lower costs for the masses.
07-03-2017, 05:35 PM
#6254
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07-03-2017, 05:51 PM
#6255
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