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USIC USGT 2016 Motor and Chassis list in qualifing order

TQ A.F. TSR A800
2nd D.J. TeamPowers A800
3rd B.S. TSR A800
4th M.L. TSR A800
5th M.F TeamPowers A800
6th D.J TSR Destiny
7th J.W. Trinity Monster '17 Xray
8th C.V TSR Destiny
9 A.C. TSR A700
10 B.K. R1 v15 A700
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13 J.L. TSR A800
14 M.L. TSR Destiny
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16 J.M. TSR. 15 Xray
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18 R.C. TSR T4
19 M.K. Reedy Powered M3 AE TC7
20 S.J. TSR Destiny
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Old 06-30-2017, 05:45 AM
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Originally Posted by robk
We actually went through the motors and pulled out the top and bottom motors so they were all closer in speed as a group.
cool, I plan on going through these as well...as well as re-tune the Novaks for the Pro Invite VTA class...

you should come and oversee.....or race
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well if all goes as planned with roars 18 rules it will be a non issue ... i forsee a minimum in resistsance ... so some of this motor war will be less noticable...

but with all the motor talk . matt and i can run matching fast laps with a old r1 v9 motor thats been hot ... as the guys with 3 tsr/v16/monster max.
set up and driving are the still the most important things in rc
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Originally Posted by jlfx car audio
well if all goes as planned with roars 18 rules it will be a non issue ... i forsee a minimum in resistsance ... so some of this motor war will be less noticable...

but with all the motor talk . matt and i can run matching fast laps with a old r1 v9 motor thats been hot ... as the guys with 3 tsr/v16/monster max.
set up and driving are the still the most important things in rc
Like I've said forever still gotta drive it, regardless of how good your "stuff " is, fast motor big battery if you can't drive or can't setup the car you'll just get to the boards faster.
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Originally Posted by jlfx car audio
well if all goes as planned with roars 18 rules it will be a non issue ... i forsee a minimum in resistsance ... so some of this motor war will be less noticable...

but with all the motor talk . matt and i can run matching fast laps with a old r1 v9 motor thats been hot ... as the guys with 3 tsr/v16/monster max.
set up and driving are the still the most important things in rc
Absolutely, I get a lesson in that every Sunday at Thunder.
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that's the problem, we have a few guys who can drive but are getting blasted on the straight by guys who are "ok", just makes it obvious that you have to spend big money to stay competitive.

We've lost drivers because of this. Hence an $80 cap like ROAR used to have would help. The way it is right now, we are giving the manufacturers a license to take our money. With a cap on motor MSRP, they work for our benefit, not the other way round.

Any argument otherwise just limits the total number of racers due to budget, we need to grow this hobby, not reinforce exclusivity.
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Putting a price cap on motors would change nothing.

All that would happen is the "baseline" motor sells for the cap max. Then the same company, or some after market company offers a tuning service separate form the price. Those that can, will pay for the options. Just like they do now.

Also getting blasted on the straight, actually has a lot to do with how you come out of the corner. The guys that seem faster are carrying more speed and get on throttle sooner. Speed on the straight is greatly effected by setup and driving
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Originally Posted by theproffesor
Putting a price cap on motors would change nothing.

All that would happen is the "baseline" motor sells for the cap max. Then the same company, or some after market company offers a tuning service separate form the price. Those that can, will pay for the options. Just like they do now.

Also getting blasted on the straight, actually has a lot to do with how you come out of the corner. The guys that seem faster are carrying more speed and get on throttle sooner. Speed on the straight is greatly effected by setup and driving
This plus 10000. I try explaining this to some often.
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There already is a price cap and has been for some time. I believe it's $150.
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Originally Posted by theproffesor
Putting a price cap on motors would change nothing.

All that would happen is the "baseline" motor sells for the cap max. Then the same company, or some after market company offers a tuning service separate form the price. Those that can, will pay for the options. Just like they do now.

Also getting blasted on the straight, actually has a lot to do with how you come out of the corner. The guys that seem faster are carrying more speed and get on throttle sooner. Speed on the straight is greatly effected by setup and driving
As I said previously the more expensive the activity becomes the less people will participate. Recently, I watched two drivers of equal skill, timing off the corners, etc. The driver with the motor with more rpm's flew away from the other driver on the straight. Personally, I don't really care. But, if participation is a goal in USGT then some kind of motor restriction may be needed. You have a certain list of bodies, certain body widths, discontinued bodies are dropped from the list, certain tires, certain weight, the car has to be 4WD or FWD, there is a limit on wing height, no dish wheels, blinky esc, and only ROAR approved motors. If the rules can be so specific bodies, wings and wheels why can't there be motor rules?
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If the rules can be so specific bodies, wings and wheels why can't there be motor rules?
The obvious immediate issue with that would be that introducing more restrictive rules would outlaw some motors that some people are already using. They'll either need to pony up more cash just to be legal, or quit racing while complaining about rules getting in the way.

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Originally Posted by gigaplex
The obvious immediate issue with that would be that introducing more restrictive rules would outlaw some motors that some people are already using. They'll either need to pony up more cash just to be legal, or racing while complaining about rules getting in the way.
I think a motor rule would have to made for next year. I think this kind of problem could be the same in VTA.
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at our local track in Australia our club rules have been set to use the Muchmore 17.5 fixed timing motor. Another local club also follows these rules with either the 32/36 Rush/Volante tyres and an FDR of 3.5.

Our first night we had 7 drivers which I thought was not bad for our standards. We are currently having it once a month and we will see how we go in the future.
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Originally Posted by Djchow85
at our local track in Australia our club rules have been set to use the Muchmore 17.5 fixed timing motor. Another local club also follows these rules with either the 32/36 Rush/Volante tyres and an FDR of 3.5.

Our first night we had 7 drivers which I thought was not bad for our standards. We are currently having it once a month and we will see how we go in the future.
A fixed timing motor is probably a good idea.
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If there are local on road tracks I think clubs need to work together to come to an agreement of FDR/17.5 fixed motor and tyres if the heart of it is to keep close racing so there's no "motor wars"

Once that's established racers can switch between clubs if they want to race. This has allowed some racers from another club to come to ours and we can go them. When competition time comes up, follow the same agreed rules.
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Originally Posted by Djchow85
If there are local on road tracks I think clubs need to work together to come to an agreement of FDR/17.5 fixed motor and tyres if the heart of it is to keep close racing sNoo there's no "motor wars"

Once that's established racers can switch between clubs if they want to race. This has allowed some racers from another club to come to ours and we can go them. When competition time comes up, follow the same agreed rules.
Couldn't we all just race mod? I don't see this kind of worry in 1/8 scale off-road with e buggy or nitro. Stock racing seems to drive the most cost of anything i have ever done which is the opposite of its intent. You guys act like all the fast guys should be in mod and are cherry picking vta and USGT. Around here, Indianapolis, mod doesn't exist. It's usgt, vta, 17.5 or don't race. So motor, battery, or body of the week. None of our indoor tracks are even big enough to use a mod motor power, so that right there would equalize field.

You can only go so fast before you are blowing your car to pieces by wrecking. Somebody pull you on the straight, well they better know how to brake, or they will break.
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