Then it should be up to the "big guys" to be man enough to swollow their pride, put their egos aside and remove the hand built, Jim Dieter special and put in a shelf motor. They need to realize that most of us race because of our job - not race AS our job.
The only way to help grow the hobby and keep the people coming back is a more level playing field.
Sadly, that needs to be realized by the guys who have the biggest advantage.
Regulating this and capping that is a bandaid. It'll work for a few months. It's inevitable that manufacturers will find a way around the regulations and therefore give their guys the best equipment.
It'll become the have's vs the have not's all over again.
Pro guys:
Save the killer winds for Nationals. If you need to kick our asses by 6 laps at a club race to stroke your ego, then there is something else going on that needs professional help.
Suck it up and play race cars with the rest of us.

Companies will always be pushing limits to gain an edge. That's just the way racing is. You can't fault the company for making a product better.... next month another company may have the best product. You going to ban that one too?

When you introduce a spec motor, the guy that has access to the most motors still has a faster motor than everybody else .... nothing changes. Just my opinions.

I said all this already but this yr alone there is roughly a 10% gain cause of the resistance of the motor and this is just the tip this new tech will be refined and even be faster cause the companies can wrap the wire around a stator so skinny that the wire itself will be the strength of the motor and then motors will be burning up all the time ,that's what it's coming too. Is that what we want in 3 yrs or so? A $200 disposable motor that's 17.5 fast ,if a simple rule isn't added to the book this is here it will be headed ... Do you really want the new guy to buy his first motor based on a salesmen's point and it falls apart on day 1? That don't build the class or hobby!

Well said.....

okay I see the true solution.....

coming Fall of 2017 at the USVTA Nationals in Music City USA....the NEW USGT class.....

Spec ESC
Spec Motor(open timing and FDR)
Spec pre mount tires and rims(Gravity still)
Spec 6000 mah battery
Spec bodies list

servo RX and TX choice of racers

Kevin and Rob, start dropping connection with all companies and see if we can get one company to deliver on this. I will also reach out, and I think everyone should as well....lets give somebody the monopoly on USGT and see what happens....how many brand loyal or sponsored racers will stay or move along?.....and while we at it, lets do the same for VTA and F1 too. We have to much freedom as it is.

Oh BTW, I noticed none of the majority that race USGT even acknowledge this as an issue, and if they do?....they are not vocal or opinionated...at best they feel that the rules are rules and until they change then they will decide if they continue to race USGT, just like they did with VTA...so lets roll that dice and see if all this is needed....or if its needed for a select few....

jmo:batman:

I guess I don't see why there can't be min. resistance numbers for each wind?

Its killing me!!!!!!!!!! just like NOVAK and VTA. I get the junker 25.5 while someone else gets a better one. then I got to buy another spec to hope it better? STOP already ran and have fun. if you want to play with the big dogs you will. If not your in the B or C like me.... I can always use my age as my handicap right Darryl and Chuck.

This is almost the same formula used at IIC, for the GT class. Tekin supplied the motor and esc, Gravity tires and a short list of bodies. They did use a max FDR but the class works.

Most of us racers know that people will push whatever "limits" are set... This is just the nature of racing & people... We all want to be pro rc'ers and win that fancy bowling trophy and brag about I won X race(s) the rest of our lives. :) If you do a spec motor, the same people who will buy $175 motors will buy 5 spec motors and figure out what is the best "spec" motor.

So something random I found out yesterday to help prove the point a bit about "racing" and things people will do: I just got into cycling / triathlons and found out that if you shave your legs / arms you will save about 70-90 seconds over 40k ride. Guess who will be using his ladies razor when it's race day?!?!

None? The opinions seem to be pretty well split on both sides of the issue on this thread.

But keep in mind that the vast majority of USGT racers aren't on this thread. I'd venture to say that if the guys I race with every Sunday were presented with the choice of keeping the ROAR-approved motor that they now own (and already meets the 65 milliohm resistance specification!), versus knowing they will be further outgunned if they don't spend more money, would choose to adopt a minimum resistance rule so they can maintain the competitive level of the ROAR-approved motor that they have now.

I race USGT every Sunday. I've been racing RC for about three decades. I'm not sponsored by anyone, and I intentionally keep it that way. My biggest concern is keeping the racing as close and as affordable as possible. A minimum resistance rule would definitely contribute to that goal.

who will Police it?...I carry a shield and gun, but no thank you...for big races, its very possible...but all the time?...who wants that headache...from the outside these "outlaw" motors will look all the same, unless somebody is willing to check them all out and make sure its this or that.

best example...sorry Rob K....lol.....when we went to open ROAR 25.5 motors....guess what happen?....Trinity and others have 25.5 motors....how many?....3-5 different ones, even Reedy has different ones(none legal)...but Sunday a guy who won a Trinity 25.5 at my event (USVTA Nats) was running it...he loved it, but when he came to me about a question about gearing...OMG, its a D4 25.5?....wth....that's not legal.....yes it is he argued.. I even won it at your event.....oh great now I have an issue on my hands cause he is a great guy, but running an illegal motor....so now what?

Company A,B, or C making different motors of the same wind will and does cause confusion....glad Paul got that part right, one motor per wind...BMK

so the point is trying to eye tech is a pain....when you are running a motor that the resistance can vary but look just like the legal version.....

one last thing...the approved Trinity is rev1804.....not rev1804XX, or D4, or the Monster Power or any other version...

or fancy Million Dollar briefcase....best trophy ever

Well said.

I guess it all depends on where you run. I run weekly and I haven't seen any of this at our track. We have had everything from Novak SS motors to whatever somebody wants to pay. I haven't seen anything that made we want to go out and buy a different motor unless I had to buy a new motor anyway.

In my opinion, the fast guys are the fast guys, no matter what they're running.

I know that the fast guys at our track could switch to 25.5 motors and they would still be fast.

I think the time is approaching for a spec motor just for USGT events. Perhaps a manufacturer can be selected by the end of Spring with the motor officially becoming the motor to use by Summer? Use the same method of consistent performance/low price/availability that was used when the Ride Spec tire was selected.

Also spec'ing the esc and battery would be going overboard for now.

I think, by middle 2017, having spec motor and tires and the approved body list would be perfectly reasonable for USGT.
And if the class really grows you could have two classes for the bigger USGT events; 1. a spec motor class, 2. an open 21.5 pro class

I also think a spec motor should;

Still be relatively fast for a 21.5 :)
Under $70 (makes the transition easier to swallow)
open timing (it may be too easy to cheat 'locked' timing)
stator and rotor EASILY identified as spec