Every variation of a claim rule I've heard of has been some kind of fee to trigger a motor swap when using handout motors. I've never heard of rules that force someone to sell their privately owned equipment to another competitor. I'm not sure if such a rule is even legal (regarding property law, not racing regulations). And since it's a purchase rather than a swap, doesn't that leave the racer without a motor/engine to race with?

Don't even understand why anyone is apposed to a resistance min ... As said it wouldn't changed anything in the speed of these cars right now . But would put a cap on how much faster they will get over the next 5 yrs ...
Let the tsr make the cut even the next 3 or 4 motors to come out but set a resistance minimum into affect that will eliminate next yrs super conductor motors

I don't think they're against a resistance minimum as a principle. It's more on determining who is setting the minimum (ROAR vs USGT), ensuring manufacturers are on board so they still produce legal motors for USGT vs producing motors for other markets, and other logistical issues. Also, setting the minimum resistance doesn't fix the problem, it just delays it until a manufacturer finds another way to get an edge that doesn't break the rules.

i'd go for this. This business of $175 or $200 motors is dangerous to the hobby.

I wonder if the usgt rules could be written to specify that the base model motor/rotor/timing ring be used? I would like to see ROAR tighten up the specs on the 21.5 and 17.5 motors as they did with 25.5.

So who is or have bought a $150 to $200 21.5 motor to run USGT?

Don't be shy... Show of hands... And how many are not...no matter where they end up in a race?

I have 150-200 motors but I didn't pay near that much to be honest. Would I pay full boat for 1? Probably.:lol:

Does it help me? Sure, that little boost helps me stay competitive with our local fast guys because they have these same motors through their sponsors and they honestly drive at Nats/IIc/Reedy Amain levels.

Now do I like the current situation? NOPE.

Dude the ones that don't either get the $150+ motor for free or just don't care if they win or even come close to winning on a national level ,which is fine ,but let me ask
You and your 2 good friends race together every weekend and all 3 of you are swapping positions on the track every week but none of the 3 are in the A main ,sounds fun that is how me and our friends were in the beginning . But one of the 3 guys goes to a casino and hits a jackpot for big money and decides to buy one of those 200 motors ,and doesn't tell his buddies .. next race days comes up and the guy with the new hp is solidly 6 sec Infront of the other friends and all 3 guys are blown away by its 17.5 like speeds ... So both of these guys finds a way to buy the new motor and now all 3 are back to racing together again . But both of his friends really couldn't afford the new motors so now they only get to the track once a month to offset the cost. Several others notice the speed and want it so they do the same ... And guess what they can't run as often either due to budget ,now the track decides to only run 2 times a month to try to keep everyone's off weekends in line .... And now the track is considering closing cause of light turnout ... Sound familiar to some ? Tho it hasn't been because of a motor but it might be in the near future if Pandora's box don't get a restriction applied soon

Not specific to USGT, but in 21.5 sportsman over in Australia most of the guys I race against have bought one of the expensive ones recently. I'm holding off for now, there's talk about changing to a spec motor nationally next year due to the recent surge of motor wars.

more loyal..same with Novak...but its not going to change unless we all agree. And looking at the thread thats not going to happen...so like I said, we have options....but its "US" with the options, not the USVTA or ROAR...we as racers have to chose what we run and spend...

and FYI, Im not that important lol...Im at my best cause when I race the best, like yourself and Matt....and even with similar motors, he still faster.

and you dont have to chase the fast motor of the month...when I go to Cleveland, there will be a host of GT racers Ive never raced against that are on par with EA and others....is that going to stop me from going?...Heck Nah, will I do my best with what I have...yes...will I have Fun?...Oh yeah....

The "W" is important, but not my end game...my end game is to show up at work Monday morning and laugh silently to myself about all the things Sydor and Miller did to each other...and hope somebody ask me whats so funny:batman:

good point...so lets try it locally...lets say at Thunder to race USGT, you cant use a motor over said $$$$ or spec stator like you express...Im game

Soba college professor has a class of 30 people. At the end of the semester he says I will let everyone in the class determine there own grade. However there can only be 10% A's. If more than that give themselves A's, the lowest 50% of the class automatically fails, and everyone else gets there actual grade. If 10% or less give themselves A's then the top 50% get A's, 40% gets B's, and 10% get c's, but everyone passes.

What happens...

The point is, if we as racers need to dictate what the manufacturers make instead of the the other way around, then everyone has to be on board. Problem is not everyone will be.

Likewise, there's a couple of people at the club I race at that have the "premium" motors. As our track is somewhat more technical then a lot of other tracks, I can hold my own with them using a Turnigy Trackstar v2.
However, on the more open and long straight/s tracks their speed advantage is more evident, but considering the car & gear that I use, I'm very happy with the results I achieve.
Sure, car setup, and driver skill, is still a big factor in the bigger picture, but having a speed advantage between 2 equal drivers will often favour the one with the faster motor.

The GT class talks at our club has been put on hold until the nats are over, or even longer with the proposed hand out motor rules being considered & decided on how clubs vote.
If the new motor rules are adopted, I cant see many clubs forcing their members to not use their current motors that they use, for fear of a revolt by the members.

At a weekly club race,I have personally seem the team motor builder, for Trinity, hand building and tweaking 21.5 motors, for a driver.

What do you think they would charge for this service to "Joe Weekend Racer"? I'm guessing those motors would be over $150 each.

Simple:

USGT.
USGT Pro.

USGT for the guys without factory backing.
USGT Pro for the guys WITH full factory backing. Make the high buck guys race against each other.
Leave the bitching and moaning about bending the rules to the factory guys -- and let the rest of us go out there and race for FUN!

That would be great if the fields were deep enough. But at most tracks you just don't have enough cars to split like that