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AdrianM 08-24-2005 06:21 AM


Originally Posted by El Gatto
hi

Does anyone know if the asso t-bars fit the calandra T-force car?

Cheers

I think CRC buys them from Associated so yeah they fit.

davidl 08-24-2005 06:26 AM


Originally Posted by Hyperform Racing
Dave you run a links car also, correct? Let me ask you guys this, what do you do with your side springs if the car feels lazy? I assume you run a stiffer side spring, correct? At least that's what I did when I ran links cars. I guess I could see how the "negative" damping of the tube could cause the car to be a little lazy. In other words it's not just damped when the pod rotates from center but also on the way back to center.

Anyway, I tend to go against the grain a lot anyway. :lol:
As a good example, tonight I was running 12th and the new layout has a ton of quick switch backs and chicanes. The layout was actually put down by Bruce Carbone, we live close to each other and race at the same tracks. Anyway, I lightened up my rear end, both center spring and damping wise and my car not only felt lazy but pushed like a dump truck full of concrete. I stiffened the center spring up again and put buds lube back in the tubes and it was dialed. What's the weight of buds lube anyways? That stuff is like maple syrup flowing right off the tree.


Wow, looks like you answered your own question. There isn't any rule of thumb for me about the side springs/dampening and the center spring/dampening except that you try to take what the track will give you. I run a Tee-plate car now and haven't run the link car for 4 seasons. I am not going to participate in the link vs tee-plate argument that some enjoy. I have run good and bad with both. I would like to give a plug for the IRS Rugrat conversion. It is virually identical to the CTC T Force. Actually the RugRat might have been release first, but I don't remember. But this vehicle is one of the best kept secrets in 1/12 scale.

Hyperform Racing 08-24-2005 08:42 AM

I wasn't really asking a question Mr Lee except to see what you did in a certain situation with your setup. Also, if you read back a few pages,we aren't having a t-bar vs links conversation but rather a discussion about damper tube fluid.

CypressMidWest 08-24-2005 09:21 AM


Originally Posted by darnold
FactoryRacer- why not run a Speedmerchant Rev. 4? It's an awesome car that goes together well and it has lot's of corner speed and is Very rugged. The two other cars you mentioned as well as the Corrally, T-Force(CRC also), BMI and Hyperform just to name a few are great cars and you can't go wrong with any of them. I like the Rev.4 and you can check it out on that thread. Ian R. (Cypress Midwest) is awsome with customer support and can answer your questions regarding the Rev. 4, something to look into maybe.

Thanks for the "up" Dave. The Rev. 4 is awesome, and you can't beat the kind of support you get from Bruce and the rest of the team. Just check out the Rev. 4 thread here on RCTech. The car is fast, easy to set-up and maintain, and IMHO, it's the best looking chassis on the market. If you wanna run something different than the run 'o the mill T-bar clones, this would be a good chioce.

All the current cars are good though , so like everyone posted above, it's a personal preference. Since the only thing that ever really breaks on any of these cars is actually an AE 12L or aftermarket 12L part, the parts support issue is pretty much a non-point. The Corally and Trinity cars are the only ones that don't use an AE front-end!

Clegg 08-24-2005 09:26 AM

Really the chassis I ran last year and love it still is the PRC Quad 12. Its a Tbar clone, but has a nicely thick chassis, and a tapeless battery retention (not the rubber band system that the CRC knife's use).


The T-Force is a nice looking car, but seems a bit of cash for what it's got. I was looking at the speed merchant and it also looks spiffy.

One of the parts I am going to start using this year that I have heard lots of good about is the PowerPush Tbars. The 2 stage Tbars in .001 increments. I have a handful of them coming in in a few weeks.

They are expensive though, I think 6.99 a bar, but to get a bit of a quicker Tbar that can help help with transitioning a bit faster, I think its worth it.

CypressMidWest 08-24-2005 09:46 AM

Clegg, the first line of your sig is killer!

CypressMidWest 08-24-2005 09:47 AM


Originally Posted by ApexSpeed
Already in the works... And, I think I'll also have my Martini shaken, not stirred. ;)


doug

Man, I couldn't count the number of times I've copied the UOP Shadow scheme. :D :nod: :lol:

purpurite 08-24-2005 10:10 AM

LOL, yeah, all black is a tough one to replicate. :D

CypressMidWest 08-24-2005 11:26 AM

Next time I may do a Lola T70 Mark Donahue tribute.....

Anybody got any Sunoco Stickers? :lol:

timmay70 08-24-2005 11:52 AM


Originally Posted by AdrianM
Remember...if you car is sliding anywhere you are scrubbing speed. Get your car stuck down so it just about traction rolls then drive it smooth so it wont traction roll. Some guys think making your car free (not so stuck) makes you fast. This is not the case...you have to drive a stuck car smoothly so you don't scrub speed to be fast.

I have a Rev 4 and am just getting back into the swing of things as far as carpet season goes. I will talk to Bruce about set-up the next time he's at the track (he was missed last night at club racing). However, how does this translate to the r4 in terms of set-up? Currently, my car has Magenta/pink with 022 front, white sides, black center and 50wt. I also run 10k wt in the tubes.

I can audiably hear my rear tires scrubbing in the corners, and it still pushes (slightly). I haven't tried to traction roll the car, as I don't usually like the tires of my car to leave the track. Drivers at the track were saying that my car seems to carry no speed. I have roll dialed into the car. Dope full rear, 2/3 front than less as the night goes on. This is on high bite carpet in fairly good condition (installed in March).

Should I go softer on the rear suspension to gain more traction? Maybe no changes are needed, however, I am not opposed to trying different things to learn set-up and how to drive properly...

CypressMidWest 08-24-2005 01:26 PM


Originally Posted by timmay70
I have a Rev 4 and am just getting back into the swing of things as far as carpet season goes. I will talk to Bruce about set-up the next time he's at the track (he was missed last night at club racing). However, how does this translate to the r4 in terms of set-up? Currently, my car has Magenta/pink with 022 front, white sides, black center and 50wt. I also run 10k wt in the tubes.

I can audiably hear my rear tires scrubbing in the corners, and it still pushes (slightly). I haven't tried to traction roll the car, as I don't usually like the tires of my car to leave the track. Drivers at the track were saying that my car seems to carry no speed. I have roll dialed into the car. Dope full rear, 2/3 front than less as the night goes on. This is on high bite carpet in fairly good condition (installed in March).

Should I go softer on the rear suspension to gain more traction? Maybe no changes are needed, however, I am not opposed to trying different things to learn set-up and how to drive properly...


I'd try Blue side springs, and .020 front springs. I'd also try some Grey rears. Pinks have SOOO much bite on carpet, so you may have the rear hooked up so much the front tires just act like skis.

timmay70 08-24-2005 01:51 PM

Strangely, it seems to be the rears that can break free... and this is with a stock motor.

I will give that a shot.

Hyperform Racing 08-24-2005 06:19 PM

Hey Tim, if you're judging by last nights racing, I would wait till traction comes back up on the track. RCE had unusually low inconsistant traction last night probably due to the offroad trophy race over the weekend.

You stinkin offroad guys and your dirt...

MUDVAYNE 08-24-2005 07:11 PM

Anyone know where the least expensive place is to buy an L4?

Clegg 08-24-2005 07:18 PM

Ebay


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