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Re: Battery Question
Originally posted by jag I had another learning experience last night... I was told I needed to "maintain" my batteries which includes discharging my batteries after a run so I purchased a Novak Smart Tray. I was told to cycle my 2 Fusion packs last night to be ready for Sunday. So I did... sort of. I put the first pack on there and it got very hot very quick, like 30 seconds, and the lights went out right away. I was concerned but I know that batteries get hot when discharged and 1 of the packs was low. So I put the second pack on there and the same thing happened except that one of the cells erupted (that is the best discription of what happened) and made a big mess all over my bench. Now I know that 1 of the packs was almost fully charged because my main was rained out last week and my car was ready. It looks like the same cell on both packs was damaged, 1 much wosre than the other. I'm sure they were in there right and it was set for .9v. What did I do wrong? Assuming that we are talking about 4-cell packs. How are your battery packs configured (i.e. 4 straight, paired with a shunt wire, etc.) and how did you position them on the Smart Tray? Not sure, but were the four lights lit on the Smart Tray after you pressed the start button? Have you read all the instructions on the BOTTOM of the Smart Tray box? I didn't find them for a long time myself. |
Originally posted by crimson eagle Jag, Something seriously wrong there. Yes cells do get hot during discharge but not during equalising. I don't have a smart tray so I'm not sure what happened but it sounds like you shorted your cells somehow. It also sounds like they were not discharged first. I'd suggest you talk to a local "pro" and show him what you did. Whatever it was, don't do it again until you find out. Chris. BTW, I was trying to discharge the batteries. Thanks |
Originally posted by Crashby Pretty fine! But... I don't see any banana plugs!?! What's up with that? Are you hard wiring now?!? Is the racing at Modesto on today??? Bill |
yes, i'm leaving now
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Re: Re: Battery Question
Originally posted by JRX-S Bill Jag, Assuming that we are talking about 4-cell packs. How are your battery packs configured (i.e. 4 straight, paired with a shunt wire, etc.) and how did you position them on the Smart Tray? Not sure, but were the four lights lit on the Smart Tray after you pressed the start button? Have you read all the instructions on the BOTTOM of the Smart Tray box? I didn't find them for a long time myself. Paired with a wire connecting them. Yes, the lights came on briefly. I would say they were on for 30 seconds or less. I did read the instructions on the box. I installed the pack all the way to the left with the "-" on the bottom like it said. I put the cells together in the tray (I didn't leave any gap between the 2 pairs). I put an old pack on first to test it and it worked fine but the cells were all hard attached. The "+" end of the cell with the wire attached is the one that exploded. The same cell on the other pack looks damaged as well. Thanks |
jag,
That good test of the one hard attached pack is making the think the orientation was wrong with the "saddle packs" on the Tray. Was the shunt wire between the two pairs of cells at the bottom when on the Tray (i.e. oriented from bottom of 2nd cell to bottom of 3rd cell) Or did you have it possibly going from 2nd cell bottom to 3rd cell top on the Tray? This would be a problem. |
Gone racing....
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Originally posted by crimson eagle Here she is, ready for tomorrow. Isn't she pretty? Chris. Great looking car! Ronnie |
Originally posted by JRX-S Bill jag, That good test of the one hard attached pack is making the think the orientation was wrong with the "saddle packs" on the Tray. Was the shunt wire between the two pairs of cells at the bottom when on the Tray (i.e. oriented from bottom of 2nd cell to bottom of 3rd cell) Or did you have it possibly going from 2nd cell bottom to 3rd cell top on the Tray? This would be a problem. From left to right 1st cell - neg. bottom, positive top. 2nd cell - positive bottom, neg. top. shunt wire on neg end. 3rd cell - neg. bottom, positive top. shunt wire on positive end. This is the cell that was damaged. 4th cell - positive bottom, neg. top. So the shunt wire went from the top of the 2nd cell to the top of the 3rd cell when in the tray. I also noticed that the pack sparks when installed into the tray and immediately begins to get hot. I inserted the pack in the on the left end of the tray and used the next 3 slots to the right. Thanks |
Originally posted by JRX-S Bill Gone racing.... |
Switchblade - I always charge at 4 amps running mod. Do you have some way to check the amp draw of your motors? You can tune your motors for less amp draw, lighter motor springs, receiver pack mild profile on the speed control.
Jag - the pack wasn't in the correct. I had one heat like that once. You want the pack on the far right, with positive connection on the bottom right hand side (where you solder the positive lead on) across the top be nothing but battery bars connecting cells (or the wire on split packs). take care john |
Originally posted by JohnB Switchblade - I always charge at 4 amps running mod. Do you have some way to check the amp draw of your motors? You can tune your motors for less amp draw, lighter motor springs, receiver pack mild profile on the speed control. Jag - the pack wasn't in the correct. I had one heat like that once. You want the pack on the far right, with positive connection on the bottom right hand side (where you solder the positive lead on) across the top be nothing but battery bars connecting cells (or the wire on split packs). take care john Thanks jag |
I've been using one for quit a while and always put the 4 cells all the way to the right.
take care john |
Originally posted by JohnB I've been using one for quit a while and always put the 4 cells all the way to the right. take care john |
Originally posted by jag The battery orientation was as follows: From left to right 1st cell - neg. bottom, positive top. OK WITH BATTERY BAR ON POSITIVE TOP 2nd cell - positive bottom, neg. top. shunt wire on neg end. (???) SHUNT WIRE HAS TO BE ON POSITIVE BOTTOM 3rd cell - neg. bottom, positive top. shunt wire on positive end. (???) SHUNT WIRE HAS TO BE ON NEGATIVE BOTTOM This is the cell that was damaged. 4th cell - positive bottom, neg. top. OK So the shunt wire went from the top of the 2nd cell to the top of the 3rd cell when in the tray. I also noticed that the pack sparks when installed into the tray and immediately begins to get hot. MY SHUNT WIRE IS AT THE BOTTOM OF THE 2ND AND 3RD CELLS WHEN IN THE TRAY I inserted the pack in the on the left end of the tray and used the next 3 slots to the right. YES Thanks |
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