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RcLoCo Online 11-26-2007 06:10 PM


Originally Posted by wallyedmonds (Post 3907263)
what im running right now is a lrp 07 speedo with a novak 10.5
and 16G wire
why
imo the lrp works better than the novak and is smaller and lighter
novak motor imo is better than a vortex 10.5 (some guys are blowing the front motor bearing)
in 1/12 im very happy with this setup and battery's are not a problem, you dont need really good #'s,i just use smc stick packs and break them up and make 4 cells with them.
and i have no batt fade at the 7min mark like you would with brushed.
IMO :)

hey wally, is the 16 gauge thinner than what comes with the 07 sphere?, and does it hamper the performance of controller, or take away power in any way?Or is it compromise free? thankyou

tommy

odpurple 11-26-2007 06:46 PM

16 gauge wire is more than adequate for 1/12th scale applications. Good 16ga wire will have less chance of interfering with pod movement, especially for brushless. The wire that comes on the Sphere is bigger, I think its 14ga :cool:

miller tyme 11-26-2007 06:50 PM

16 is thinner than the 13 or 14awg that comes with the '07 (and most other high end esc) The determining factor in the compromise is if the gear/motor/track/car set-up result in excess current being drawn, over the short distance traveled voltage drop is negligible but heat build up greatly increases that loss.

Most Stock guys are running 18awg as this is slightly lighter and makes for a cleaner/easier install, and less chance of binding up rear pods. I prefer 16 due to its thicker more durable insulation and if I decide to drop a 6 single (yeah there are still brushed mods) I a confident it can handle the extra current draw.

RcLoCo Online 11-26-2007 07:49 PM


Originally Posted by wallyedmonds (Post 3907263)
what im running right now is a lrp 07 speedo with a novak 10.5
and 16G wire
why
imo the lrp works better than the novak and is smaller and lighter
novak motor imo is better than a vortex 10.5 (some guys are blowing the front motor bearing)
in 1/12 im very happy with this setup and battery's are not a problem, you dont need really good #'s,i just use smc stick packs and break them up and make 4 cells with them.
and i have no batt fade at the 7min mark like you would with brushed.
IMO :)

makes me think of runnin/finding some good gp3300's i loved thos cells!! for the lighter weight and possibly smaller?

Switch Blade 11-26-2007 08:53 PM

Does anyone have any specs or pics of Toso's corally 12th scale from cleveland, such as tires and front end used?

cheers

RcLoCo Online 11-26-2007 10:08 PM


Originally Posted by Switch Blade (Post 3908685)
Does anyone have any specs or pics of Toso's corally 12th scale from cleveland, such as tires and front end used?

cheers

!

mario_vk 11-27-2007 06:41 AM

Hi to all!.

I have a problem with my rc12l4 and I canīt resolve it: Under braking the car always turn/spin to the left. I think the chasis is well balanced and the tweak adjustement is ok. The front springs are same lenght and the tires have same diameter. I have this problem since I installed a 3.5R novak.
By other hand, under power on the car behaviour is ok, no problems.

Thanks in advanced!.
Mario.

P.D: Sorry for my english, but is not my native languaje :(

Uga 11-27-2007 08:02 AM


Originally Posted by mario_vk (Post 3909868)
Hi to all!.

I have a problem with my rc12l4 and I canīt resolve it: Under braking the car always turn/spin to the left. I think the chasis is well balanced and the tweak adjustement is ok. The front springs are same lenght and the tires have same diameter. I have this problem since I installed a 3.5R novak.
By other hand, under power on the car behaviour is ok, no problems.

Thanks in advanced!.
Mario.

P.D: Sorry for my english, but is not my native languaje :(

Learn to drive without brakes ;)

Kane-o 11-27-2007 09:23 AM

That could be the problem. In high traction carpet applications, brakes are not really necessary. I don't even have brakes dialed in on my radio for my 1/12 scale or TC.

SlowerOne 11-27-2007 12:17 PM


Originally Posted by mario_vk (Post 3909868)
Hi to all!.

I have a problem with my rc12l4 and I canīt resolve it: Under braking the car always turn/spin to the left. I think the chasis is well balanced and the tweak adjustement is ok. The front springs are same lenght and the tires have same diameter. I have this problem since I installed a 3.5R novak.
By other hand, under power on the car behaviour is ok, no problems.

Thanks in advanced!.
Mario.

P.D: Sorry for my english, but is not my native languaje :(

12th cars don't brake in a straight line, because they are so easy to throw off line, and then get out of shape, under braking. The power of the brakes on a 3.5 will make the rear go light, one wheel starts to slide, and then it slides away from you. It's pretty much unavoidable. I don't know anyone who uses brakes in their normal driving, and it isn't a fast way round the track.

Make sure your speedo is set with the minimum drag brake setting, or the second setting if using a bonded rotor. Learn to drive without using the brakes, it's faster!!

drivingpro 11-27-2007 12:38 PM

there is one corner at my track where you HAVE to use brakes with the 12th to make it around the corner :lol: ( every other corner you don't need brakes. we don't use tyre additive, or spray anything on the asphalt)

i've managed to set my maximum brake down so it brakes in a straight line (it does it quite effectively!). so just turn down your brakes until it doesnt spin out.

edit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFBytUOYTPQ thats some footage one of the guys at the track took (me practicing on sunday just passed with the 12x)

Tire Chunker 11-27-2007 07:31 PM


Originally Posted by mario_vk (Post 3909868)
Hi to all!.

I have a problem with my rc12l4 and I canīt resolve it: Under braking the car always turn/spin to the left. I think the chasis is well balanced and the tweak adjustement is ok. The front springs are same lenght and the tires have same diameter. I have this problem since I installed a 3.5R novak.
By other hand, under power on the car behaviour is ok, no problems.

Thanks in advanced!.
Mario.

P.D: Sorry for my english, but is not my native languaje :(



With a 3.5r bolted to the car the best modification to make is to simply add wings. Your car should be airborne by the middle of the straightaway.

I would drop down to a 10.5 which for 12th is very fast.

AdrianM 11-27-2007 09:16 PM


Originally Posted by mario_vk (Post 3909868)
Hi to all!.

I have a problem with my rc12l4 and I canīt resolve it: Under braking the car always turn/spin to the left. I think the chasis is well balanced and the tweak adjustement is ok. The front springs are same lenght and the tires have same diameter. I have this problem since I installed a 3.5R novak.
By other hand, under power on the car behaviour is ok, no problems.

Thanks in advanced!.
Mario.

P.D: Sorry for my english, but is not my native languaje :(

Makes sure your rear axle is centered. If it is not this can cause the veering off in one direction on power or on brakes. You will need to use shims to do this. Measure from the center of the chassis to the outside edge of each wheel.

As far as brakes don't listen to these guys. You may not need them but you should still have them setup properly. you never know when you will ned to hit the brakes to stop from running into a crash, marshall's foot, etc....

After I set up my speedo the first thing I do is reduce my brake end point on my radio until my car can stop hard when I hit the brakes but not get out of control.

I race mod 1/12th on asphalt and my track has a 90* right hander into a chicane at the end of a 170' straight... you have to use brakes or drag brakes to make that corner.

wingman2 11-27-2007 11:49 PM

I agree with you on that one mate. I don't tend to use brakes at all with my 12th car but I have my speedo setup for maximum brakes and then adjust what I actually need via one of the knobs on my transmitter. Its usually set 1/2 way around its full value. And you're quite right that you never know when a marshall is going to run infront of your car....

mario_vk 11-28-2007 05:18 AM

Hi!

Thank you very much for all tips!. I always drive without using brakes (I setting hard drag brake in ESC), but there are some corners where you HAVE to use brakes.
I'm sure that my rear axle is centered but I'll check it again.
BTW, I think that it could be a setup/tweak problem because it's very strange that spins always to the same side (under hard braking).

Cheers!


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