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11-20-2006, 05:15 PM
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Howard....I ran the 13.5 in my car with a 1.25 roll out and it was just as fast as everyone elses car on the straight....it wasnt lacking there.
Bob....Every time we run 19t we are always geared higher then stock on the same track. With the KD's compaired to the 27's its usually 2 teeth higher....with the C2 its even more. This is with foams or rubbers they are always geared higher then stock....even with the new batteries.
Bob....Every time we run 19t we are always geared higher then stock on the same track. With the KD's compaired to the 27's its usually 2 teeth higher....with the C2 its even more. This is with foams or rubbers they are always geared higher then stock....even with the new batteries.
11-20-2006, 07:46 PM
Originally Posted by Bob Barry
Not to contradict or anything but we routinely gear our CO27's higher than our KD's. im assuming you had a 116 spur on the car with 57mm tires and geared that stock motor at 33. That puts you mid 27mm rollout. we were running 30-34 rollout. The old Blue can Atlas 19T you could run 35-37 rollout as long as you had a fan on it. with this years batteries compared to last years I would think you need to drop 1-2 teeth to not fade. Just my .02
KK....well, I do not know where is the problem, but I did ran several laps (espeically on the straight) along side with Robk's RDX with the Co27....same time entering the corner and full throttle to the straight....it is simply slower, I ran that in purpose just to see can 13.5 be par with tunned stock motor. I was using your suggested 34/116................the ONLY problem I think my car is slower is because....my foam was little bit less then 54mm?
11-21-2006, 04:43 AM
Originally Posted by AdrianM
Yeah, we have been trying to get our car to roll even more. It seems to go faster the more it rolls. We use stiffer sway bars to allow for fast transitions even though it is rolling.
All this rolling creates more grip and corner speed with less stress on the tires.
Body roll is not a bad thing if it is fast but if your car is hard to drive I would try a stiffer front sway bar first. You could stand up the front shocks. This will make the car stay flatter but it will react faster.
Just keep an eye in your average lap times. Fast laps mean nothing...its your average lap times that mean you are getting faster or slower.
I suspect that you will lose corner speed if you take out too much body roll. We have been testing softer than 14lb springs (Schu White) and the car gets even faster
FYI, I bet you buddy would be faster if he could get his car to roll more but don't tell him that...lol!
All this rolling creates more grip and corner speed with less stress on the tires.
Body roll is not a bad thing if it is fast but if your car is hard to drive I would try a stiffer front sway bar first. You could stand up the front shocks. This will make the car stay flatter but it will react faster.
Just keep an eye in your average lap times. Fast laps mean nothing...its your average lap times that mean you are getting faster or slower.
I suspect that you will lose corner speed if you take out too much body roll. We have been testing softer than 14lb springs (Schu White) and the car gets even faster
FYI, I bet you buddy would be faster if he could get his car to roll more but don't tell him that...lol!
And what colours are they?
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Skiddins
11-21-2006, 05:23 AM
Tech Initiate
Springs
Teemu Leino was using Asso silver springs in the rear, sometimes in the front as well. They are just a little softer then the shuie white.
11-21-2006, 07:04 AM
Originally Posted by Skiddins
Which manufactures make softer springs that will fit the EC?
And what colours are they?
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Skiddins
And what colours are they?
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Skiddins
11-21-2006, 07:50 AM
Originally Posted by Solara
my foam was little bit less then 54mm?
11-21-2006, 08:53 AM
Tech Rookie
C2 vs Atlas
Hi can anyone help to tell me the main difference between these two 19t motors?
As in gearing, brushes etc - compared to stock
I'm going to give 19t a go
Many thanks
Matt
Hi can anyone help to tell me the main difference between these two 19t motors?
As in gearing, brushes etc - compared to stock
I'm going to give 19t a go
Many thanks
Matt
11-21-2006, 11:59 AM
The Atlas is a better motor for sedans than the C2. The C2 and Komodo use stock grade magnets that weaken when the get hot. This is no problem if you run indoors or during winter but outside in the summer the C2 and Komodo are at a disadvantage.
Here in FL the top 19T motors are the Peak/Orion-Vantage/Element and the CP Money 19.
Here in FL the top 19T motors are the Peak/Orion-Vantage/Element and the CP Money 19.
11-21-2006, 01:14 PM
Originally Posted by Euge
I think that's a little too small...
11-21-2006, 03:20 PM
Originally Posted by Kevin K
Howard....I ran the 13.5 in my car with a 1.25 roll out and it was just as fast as everyone elses car on the straight....it wasnt lacking there.
Bob....Every time we run 19t we are always geared higher then stock on the same track. With the KD's compaired to the 27's its usually 2 teeth higher....with the C2 its even more. This is with foams or rubbers they are always geared higher then stock....even with the new batteries.
Bob....Every time we run 19t we are always geared higher then stock on the same track. With the KD's compaired to the 27's its usually 2 teeth higher....with the C2 its even more. This is with foams or rubbers they are always geared higher then stock....even with the new batteries.
Honestly then I think your stock motors were tuned wayyy differently. I remember thinking the same way you did but I was getting smoked by Cuffs, Schreff and the others....I talked to them and hey what do ya know. throw a huge gear on it LOL
11-21-2006, 03:31 PM
The Atlas is a better motor for sedans than the C2
Also, are trinity xxx lemans ok in in 19t, i use these in stock and found them to be really good
Matt
11-21-2006, 03:33 PM
Originally Posted by acsubie
hey bob, when you coming to the belly again, your initial setup help with the Mi2 was a great starting point, just need to get it geared right now
Not sure but you can always email me with questions. [email protected] I should be able to help you start whoopin on Ryan in no time
11-23-2006, 08:33 AM
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Goodluck to PW and all the guys piloting a Schumacher this weekend at Cleveland.
Have a great Thanksgiving while your racing. I know I will have a beer or two or three for you!!!!!!!!!!
Have a great Thanksgiving while your racing. I know I will have a beer or two or three for you!!!!!!!!!!
11-24-2006, 10:26 PM
Tech Adept
Hi Guys
I just bought a MI2EC USA Foam Spec.
As i race mostly on Asphalt with Foam tires, i decided to get the foam spec, should i have got the normal MI2EC ?
Thanks
I just bought a MI2EC USA Foam Spec.
As i race mostly on Asphalt with Foam tires, i decided to get the foam spec, should i have got the normal MI2EC ?
Thanks
11-25-2006, 02:20 AM
Off to carpet wars tomorrow. Using LRP Vtec 24's and a large (LARGE) track (36m straight).
Any tips on gearing the new CO27 ?? And have any of you used tyre warmers prior to your heat ?
Any tips on gearing the new CO27 ?? And have any of you used tyre warmers prior to your heat ?