9LikesT.O.P. Racing "Photon" 1/10 EP Touring Car
05-09-2012, 06:59 AM
#8896
To reiterate, if your running a 17.5 motor with NO timing from the ESC than an FDR around 4.0 is going to be way faster than something around 6.0.
If your a beginner than i can see how a low FDR will feel better as a faster car is harder to drive. But if you really want to be fast you need to gear higher for no timing classes. If you went to a national event you would find all the fast drivers in the 3.6 to 3.8 FDR range for 17.5 no esc timing class.
For beginners speed is not something you should ever worry about as it's not what will make you faster. Work on driving and car setup, if you improve at these two things you will drop your lap times. When your top 5 to 20 average lap times are with .1 - .2 then start working on car speed.
Have one of the fast guys at your track drive your car and ask them how it feels. You'll also be amazed at how fast they are with it. This can be a rather eye opening experience.
If your a beginner than i can see how a low FDR will feel better as a faster car is harder to drive. But if you really want to be fast you need to gear higher for no timing classes. If you went to a national event you would find all the fast drivers in the 3.6 to 3.8 FDR range for 17.5 no esc timing class.
For beginners speed is not something you should ever worry about as it's not what will make you faster. Work on driving and car setup, if you improve at these two things you will drop your lap times. When your top 5 to 20 average lap times are with .1 - .2 then start working on car speed.
Have one of the fast guys at your track drive your car and ask them how it feels. You'll also be amazed at how fast they are with it. This can be a rather eye opening experience.
05-09-2012, 09:24 AM
#8897
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To reiterate, if your running a 17.5 motor with NO timing from the ESC than an FDR around 4.0 is going to be way faster than something around 6.0.
If your a beginner than i can see how a low FDR will feel better as a faster car is harder to drive. But if you really want to be fast you need to gear higher for no timing classes. If you went to a national event you would find all the fast drivers in the 3.6 to 3.8 FDR range for 17.5 no esc timing class.
For beginners speed is not something you should ever worry about as it's not what will make you faster. Work on driving and car setup, if you improve at these two things you will drop your lap times. When your top 5 to 20 average lap times are with .1 - .2 then start working on car speed.
Have one of the fast guys at your track drive your car and ask them how it feels. You'll also be amazed at how fast they are with it. This can be a rather eye opening experience.
If your a beginner than i can see how a low FDR will feel better as a faster car is harder to drive. But if you really want to be fast you need to gear higher for no timing classes. If you went to a national event you would find all the fast drivers in the 3.6 to 3.8 FDR range for 17.5 no esc timing class.
For beginners speed is not something you should ever worry about as it's not what will make you faster. Work on driving and car setup, if you improve at these two things you will drop your lap times. When your top 5 to 20 average lap times are with .1 - .2 then start working on car speed.
Have one of the fast guys at your track drive your car and ask them how it feels. You'll also be amazed at how fast they are with it. This can be a rather eye opening experience.
05-09-2012, 12:56 PM
#8898
To reiterate, if your running a 17.5 motor with NO timing from the ESC than an FDR around 4.0 is going to be way faster than something around 6.0.
If your a beginner than i can see how a low FDR will feel better as a faster car is harder to drive. But if you really want to be fast you need to gear higher for no timing classes. If you went to a national event you would find all the fast drivers in the 3.6 to 3.8 FDR range for 17.5 no esc timing class.
For beginners speed is not something you should ever worry about as it's not what will make you faster. Work on driving and car setup, if you improve at these two things you will drop your lap times. When your top 5 to 20 average lap times are with .1 - .2 then start working on car speed.
Have one of the fast guys at your track drive your car and ask them how it feels. You'll also be amazed at how fast they are with it. This can be a rather eye opening experience.
If your a beginner than i can see how a low FDR will feel better as a faster car is harder to drive. But if you really want to be fast you need to gear higher for no timing classes. If you went to a national event you would find all the fast drivers in the 3.6 to 3.8 FDR range for 17.5 no esc timing class.
For beginners speed is not something you should ever worry about as it's not what will make you faster. Work on driving and car setup, if you improve at these two things you will drop your lap times. When your top 5 to 20 average lap times are with .1 - .2 then start working on car speed.
Have one of the fast guys at your track drive your car and ask them how it feels. You'll also be amazed at how fast they are with it. This can be a rather eye opening experience.
I helped a new guy set up his Photon earlier this year. He was saying it just didnt feel right, I took it out and put down faster laps with his than I did with mine!!! Dohhhh!!!
05-09-2012, 03:12 PM
#8899
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To reiterate, if your running a 17.5 motor with NO timing from the ESC than an FDR around 4.0 is going to be way faster than something around 6.0.
If your a beginner than i can see how a low FDR will feel better as a faster car is harder to drive. But if you really want to be fast you need to gear higher for no timing classes. If you went to a national event you would find all the fast drivers in the 3.6 to 3.8 FDR range for 17.5 no esc timing class.
For beginners speed is not something you should ever worry about as it's not what will make you faster. Work on driving and car setup, if you improve at these two things you will drop your lap times. When your top 5 to 20 average lap times are with .1 - .2 then start working on car speed.
Have one of the fast guys at your track drive your car and ask them how it feels. You'll also be amazed at how fast they are with it. This can be a rather eye opening experience.
If your a beginner than i can see how a low FDR will feel better as a faster car is harder to drive. But if you really want to be fast you need to gear higher for no timing classes. If you went to a national event you would find all the fast drivers in the 3.6 to 3.8 FDR range for 17.5 no esc timing class.
For beginners speed is not something you should ever worry about as it's not what will make you faster. Work on driving and car setup, if you improve at these two things you will drop your lap times. When your top 5 to 20 average lap times are with .1 - .2 then start working on car speed.
Have one of the fast guys at your track drive your car and ask them how it feels. You'll also be amazed at how fast they are with it. This can be a rather eye opening experience.
05-09-2012, 07:02 PM
#8901
They are talking about final drive. I would not worry about getting into the mid 3 for FDR. If you are getting to max speed on the straight, then you might think about lowering your FDR, but only if you are able to decrease your average lap. I found that driving with a 3.9 or 4.0 ratio was very hard. What I did was run a ballistic 17.5 that has a little more mechanical timing than some other motors. My FDR started at 6.0. What I found is that my average lap was faster with the higher FDR. Don't expect to be ballistically fast down the straight, but I did not have to slow down for the sweeper, which allowed me to carry more speed entering the infield. If I was a little better driver maybe I could have made up for the softness in the infield with a better set up on the car, but overall the extra speed on the straight made almost no difference in lap time.
Thank You all for your help
05-10-2012, 07:50 PM
#8902
Hoping to get some set up help for my photon ...
Outdoor parking lot racing just started up and ran my first race this past weekend. The track is your typical parking lot with grape soda sprayed down for traction. So needless to say the traction is very low.
I ran the car all last season and the car was great. When I went out this season with basically the same set up I couldn't keep the rear from sliding out. It was almost drifting around every turn.
Here's my set up:
32 Sweep EXP
Stock springs (what ever came in the kit), 40wt oil, Front shock hole 3, laid the rear shocks all the way down to try to get more traction
Rear- 3 degrees toe in, -2 degrees camber, gear diff
Front- 1 degree toe out, - 1 degrees camber, spool
20t brushed motor, 6.8 fdr, (spec for the class)
Going through the car the only thing I found was that the rear diff was loose and leaking. I rebuilt the diff and it was much tighter. Rebuilding the shocks tomorrow.
Any advice would sure be appreciated,
Thanks
Chris
Outdoor parking lot racing just started up and ran my first race this past weekend. The track is your typical parking lot with grape soda sprayed down for traction. So needless to say the traction is very low.
I ran the car all last season and the car was great. When I went out this season with basically the same set up I couldn't keep the rear from sliding out. It was almost drifting around every turn.
Here's my set up:
32 Sweep EXP
Stock springs (what ever came in the kit), 40wt oil, Front shock hole 3, laid the rear shocks all the way down to try to get more traction
Rear- 3 degrees toe in, -2 degrees camber, gear diff
Front- 1 degree toe out, - 1 degrees camber, spool
20t brushed motor, 6.8 fdr, (spec for the class)
Going through the car the only thing I found was that the rear diff was loose and leaking. I rebuilt the diff and it was much tighter. Rebuilding the shocks tomorrow.
Any advice would sure be appreciated,
Thanks
Chris
05-10-2012, 09:37 PM
#8903
Hoping to get some set up help for my photon ...
Outdoor parking lot racing just started up and ran my first race this past weekend. The track is your typical parking lot with grape soda sprayed down for traction. So needless to say the traction is very low.
I ran the car all last season and the car was great. When I went out this season with basically the same set up I couldn't keep the rear from sliding out. It was almost drifting around every turn.
Here's my set up:
32 Sweep EXP
Stock springs (what ever came in the kit), 40wt oil, Front shock hole 3, laid the rear shocks all the way down to try to get more traction
Rear- 3 degrees toe in, -2 degrees camber, gear diff
Front- 1 degree toe out, - 1 degrees camber, spool
20t brushed motor, 6.8 fdr, (spec for the class)
Going through the car the only thing I found was that the rear diff was loose and leaking. I rebuilt the diff and it was much tighter. Rebuilding the shocks tomorrow.
Any advice would sure be appreciated,
Thanks
Chris
Outdoor parking lot racing just started up and ran my first race this past weekend. The track is your typical parking lot with grape soda sprayed down for traction. So needless to say the traction is very low.
I ran the car all last season and the car was great. When I went out this season with basically the same set up I couldn't keep the rear from sliding out. It was almost drifting around every turn.
Here's my set up:
32 Sweep EXP
Stock springs (what ever came in the kit), 40wt oil, Front shock hole 3, laid the rear shocks all the way down to try to get more traction
Rear- 3 degrees toe in, -2 degrees camber, gear diff
Front- 1 degree toe out, - 1 degrees camber, spool
20t brushed motor, 6.8 fdr, (spec for the class)
Going through the car the only thing I found was that the rear diff was loose and leaking. I rebuilt the diff and it was much tighter. Rebuilding the shocks tomorrow.
Any advice would sure be appreciated,
Thanks
Chris
05-11-2012, 07:24 AM
#8904
Thanks,
I will try it. Also I took off my sway bars. Wonder if they would make a difference?
Chris
I will try it. Also I took off my sway bars. Wonder if they would make a difference?
Chris
05-11-2012, 07:36 AM
#8905
Just curious what motor you were running, and the endbell timing.
05-11-2012, 07:48 PM
#8907
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05-12-2012, 05:36 AM
#8909
I took the sway bars off after reading a few posts that people weren't running them. At the Coliseum (high grip asphalt) the car was good and I won GT3 with it. But at GB (low grip) the car was not settled. I put them back on and I will see how the car runs. Last year, with a out of the box setup all was good.
I am hoping between rebuilding the rear diff (which was very loose), rebuilding the shocks and double checking all the set up, I should be better.
Thanks
Chris
I am hoping between rebuilding the rear diff (which was very loose), rebuilding the shocks and double checking all the set up, I should be better.
Thanks
Chris
