18LikesTRF414M, 404x, 414, 414X
10-12-2003, 08:02 PM
#2371
Originally posted by evaa
Guys,
Want to ask for some advice on the following matters, i drive a 414M:
1. The stock set-up of the 414M for the rear suspension recommends that a small spacer be placed in the front arm carrier which is (correct me if i'm wrong) positive anti-squat. I was just wondering what would happen if instead of putting the spacers in front, what if i put in the rear? My problem really is lack of grip in the rear, my car tends to spin when i power out of corners.
2. my car is a tad too darty, meaning little steering inputs gives it a lot of directional change, i run in hot asphalt and use red sprins in the rear, yellow in front, 40 wt schock oil, yellow stab bars in the rear, silver worlds stab in front, center upper shock mounts in both the rear and front.
3. how do you set oyur diffs? should it be tight, loose or mid? basically my problem is the car tends to spin out when i exit corners.
4. finally, i havent really had the time to scroll through the thread, so can anyone suggest a good hot asphalt set-up?
Tanx in davance.
Jon.
Guys,
Want to ask for some advice on the following matters, i drive a 414M:
1. The stock set-up of the 414M for the rear suspension recommends that a small spacer be placed in the front arm carrier which is (correct me if i'm wrong) positive anti-squat. I was just wondering what would happen if instead of putting the spacers in front, what if i put in the rear? My problem really is lack of grip in the rear, my car tends to spin when i power out of corners.
2. my car is a tad too darty, meaning little steering inputs gives it a lot of directional change, i run in hot asphalt and use red sprins in the rear, yellow in front, 40 wt schock oil, yellow stab bars in the rear, silver worlds stab in front, center upper shock mounts in both the rear and front.
3. how do you set oyur diffs? should it be tight, loose or mid? basically my problem is the car tends to spin out when i exit corners.
4. finally, i havent really had the time to scroll through the thread, so can anyone suggest a good hot asphalt set-up?
Tanx in davance.
Jon.
2. Try using a heavier weight oil such as 50wt or 60wt. Start off with the shocks mounted on the middle hole of the shock tower. I would also start with all yellow springs and stabilizers and work from there.
3. I try to set the rear diff as loose as possible without it slipping. If I run a front diff, I usually run it slightly tighter than the rear.
4. Here is a good base setup I always used:
Front/Rear
Springs: Yellow
Stabilizers: Yellow
Oil: 50wt/40wt
Droop: 3mm/4mm
Everything else left to kit setup.
Oh and make sure you have the right tires/inserts.
10-12-2003, 10:16 PM
#2372
try the world champ setup!
10-13-2003, 02:57 AM
#2373
Originally posted by evaa
Guys,
Want to ask for some advice on the following matters, i drive a 414M:
1. The stock set-up of the 414M for the rear suspension recommends that a small spacer be placed in the front arm carrier which is (correct me if i'm wrong) positive anti-squat. I was just wondering what would happen if instead of putting the spacers in front, what if i put in the rear? My problem really is lack of grip in the rear, my car tends to spin when i power out of corners.
2. my car is a tad too darty, meaning little steering inputs gives it a lot of directional change, i run in hot asphalt and use red sprins in the rear, yellow in front, 40 wt schock oil, yellow stab bars in the rear, silver worlds stab in front, center upper shock mounts in both the rear and front.
3. how do you set oyur diffs? should it be tight, loose or mid? basically my problem is the car tends to spin out when i exit corners.
4. finally, i havent really had the time to scroll through the thread, so can anyone suggest a good hot asphalt set-up?
Tanx in davance.
Jon.
Guys,
Want to ask for some advice on the following matters, i drive a 414M:
1. The stock set-up of the 414M for the rear suspension recommends that a small spacer be placed in the front arm carrier which is (correct me if i'm wrong) positive anti-squat. I was just wondering what would happen if instead of putting the spacers in front, what if i put in the rear? My problem really is lack of grip in the rear, my car tends to spin when i power out of corners.
2. my car is a tad too darty, meaning little steering inputs gives it a lot of directional change, i run in hot asphalt and use red sprins in the rear, yellow in front, 40 wt schock oil, yellow stab bars in the rear, silver worlds stab in front, center upper shock mounts in both the rear and front.
3. how do you set oyur diffs? should it be tight, loose or mid? basically my problem is the car tends to spin out when i exit corners.
4. finally, i havent really had the time to scroll through the thread, so can anyone suggest a good hot asphalt set-up?
Tanx in davance.
Jon.
Just curious what tires and you using ??
What suspension set up are you using no. of pistons etc..
I never had a problem like wht your experiencing. But i do recall spinning out a lot when my diff was busted (it was really tight) and that was during the night with temp below 10DEG but once the tires started heating up it went like a dream.
10-13-2003, 07:11 PM
#2374
Originally posted by evaa
Guys,
Want to ask for some advice on the following matters, i drive a 414M:
1. The stock set-up of the 414M for the rear suspension recommends that a small spacer be placed in the front arm carrier which is (correct me if i'm wrong) positive anti-squat. I was just wondering what would happen if instead of putting the spacers in front, what if i put in the rear? My problem really is lack of grip in the rear, my car tends to spin when i power out of corners.
2. my car is a tad too darty, meaning little steering inputs gives it a lot of directional change, i run in hot asphalt and use red sprins in the rear, yellow in front, 40 wt schock oil, yellow stab bars in the rear, silver worlds stab in front, center upper shock mounts in both the rear and front.
3. how do you set oyur diffs? should it be tight, loose or mid? basically my problem is the car tends to spin out when i exit corners.
4. finally, i havent really had the time to scroll through the thread, so can anyone suggest a good hot asphalt set-up?
Tanx in davance.
Jon.
Guys,
Want to ask for some advice on the following matters, i drive a 414M:
1. The stock set-up of the 414M for the rear suspension recommends that a small spacer be placed in the front arm carrier which is (correct me if i'm wrong) positive anti-squat. I was just wondering what would happen if instead of putting the spacers in front, what if i put in the rear? My problem really is lack of grip in the rear, my car tends to spin when i power out of corners.
2. my car is a tad too darty, meaning little steering inputs gives it a lot of directional change, i run in hot asphalt and use red sprins in the rear, yellow in front, 40 wt schock oil, yellow stab bars in the rear, silver worlds stab in front, center upper shock mounts in both the rear and front.
3. how do you set oyur diffs? should it be tight, loose or mid? basically my problem is the car tends to spin out when i exit corners.
4. finally, i havent really had the time to scroll through the thread, so can anyone suggest a good hot asphalt set-up?
Tanx in davance.
Jon.
10-13-2003, 11:57 PM
#2375
Tech Adept
I'm thinking of preparing to race a Tamiya Car very soon. I still owned the original blue TRF414M2. Anyone here who own a 414M and the EVO3 Surikarn edi., please advised whether the 414M is still a better car over the EVO3 S.E.??? I know the EVO3 has the reliability problem. If so, why did Surikarn choose to race the EVO3 instead of his World Champ. 414M??
May be our Thailand friends and Pyramid can help to answer the question??
May be our Thailand friends and Pyramid can help to answer the question??
Last edited by MARKANO; 10-14-2003 at 05:00 PM.
10-14-2003, 12:16 AM
#2376
Originally posted by MARKANO
I'm thinking of preparing to race a Tamiya Car very soon. I still owned the original TRF414M. Anyone here who own a 414M and the EVO3 Surikarn edi., please advised whether the 414M is still a better car over the EVO3 S.E.??? I know the EVO3 has the reliability problem. If so, why did Surikarn choose to race the EVO3 instead of his World Champ. 414M??
May be our Thailand friends and Pyramid can help to answer the question??
I'm thinking of preparing to race a Tamiya Car very soon. I still owned the original TRF414M. Anyone here who own a 414M and the EVO3 Surikarn edi., please advised whether the 414M is still a better car over the EVO3 S.E.??? I know the EVO3 has the reliability problem. If so, why did Surikarn choose to race the EVO3 instead of his World Champ. 414M??
May be our Thailand friends and Pyramid can help to answer the question??
The Evo3 S.E. is a great car, nothing wrong with the 414 either.
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10-14-2003, 10:21 AM
#2378
Guys,
Tanx 4 d input, anyway here is my set-up:
1. shock oil - 40wt
2. shock pistons - 2 holes on all four shocks
3. tires - sorex 40s with medium sorex inserts
4. shock mounting location - f/r mid hole
5. droop f/r - box set-up
6. anti dive/squat - box set-up
7. springs - red rear, yellow front
8. banzai p2k2, 120 spur, 39 pinion.
9. camber link - box set-up
10. body - stratus 1.0
11. front and center one ways
12. 1 degree camber f/r
thats all i can remember as far as my set-up is concerned, help please. tanx.
by the way what's the worlds set-up? can anyone post it here?
Tanx 4 d input, anyway here is my set-up:
1. shock oil - 40wt
2. shock pistons - 2 holes on all four shocks
3. tires - sorex 40s with medium sorex inserts
4. shock mounting location - f/r mid hole
5. droop f/r - box set-up
6. anti dive/squat - box set-up
7. springs - red rear, yellow front
8. banzai p2k2, 120 spur, 39 pinion.
9. camber link - box set-up
10. body - stratus 1.0
11. front and center one ways
12. 1 degree camber f/r
thats all i can remember as far as my set-up is concerned, help please. tanx.
by the way what's the worlds set-up? can anyone post it here?
10-14-2003, 03:21 PM
#2379
Strange, that setup seems that it would be stable. I would set the droop to 3mm in front and 4mm in rear, just to be sure (i'm not sure what the kit setup is.) And are you sure those are the correct tires?
10-14-2003, 05:06 PM
#2380
Originally posted by evaa
Guys,
Tanx 4 d input, anyway here is my set-up:
1. shock oil - 40wt
2. shock pistons - 2 holes on all four shocks
3. tires - sorex 40s with medium sorex inserts
4. shock mounting location - f/r mid hole
5. droop f/r - box set-up
6. anti dive/squat - box set-up
7. springs - red rear, yellow front
8. banzai p2k2, 120 spur, 39 pinion.
9. camber link - box set-up
10. body - stratus 1.0
11. front and center one ways
12. 1 degree camber f/r
thats all i can remember as far as my set-up is concerned, help please. tanx.
by the way what's the worlds set-up? can anyone post it here?
Guys,
Tanx 4 d input, anyway here is my set-up:
1. shock oil - 40wt
2. shock pistons - 2 holes on all four shocks
3. tires - sorex 40s with medium sorex inserts
4. shock mounting location - f/r mid hole
5. droop f/r - box set-up
6. anti dive/squat - box set-up
7. springs - red rear, yellow front
8. banzai p2k2, 120 spur, 39 pinion.
9. camber link - box set-up
10. body - stratus 1.0
11. front and center one ways
12. 1 degree camber f/r
thats all i can remember as far as my set-up is concerned, help please. tanx.
by the way what's the worlds set-up? can anyone post it here?
10-14-2003, 07:15 PM
#2381
evaa
40 is a pretty firm tire, can you try something in the 30s? What's the track temperature?
10-14-2003, 09:01 PM
#2382
tanx 4 d replies, yup those tires are the correct ones, the track temp usually rises up to around 70 degrees centigrade by noon time, and settles down to 60 degrees til the race ends right around 6pm, so basically its really hot in the track, its open by the way.
i've just rebuilt my diff, but i guess i'll have to look at it again tonight
finally, everyone uses sorex 40s here and their cars are hooked up, so i guess htats the correct set. i'll also try the alfa.
tanx 4 all ur inputs. FUK_WRX ygpm.
i've just rebuilt my diff, but i guess i'll have to look at it again tonight
finally, everyone uses sorex 40s here and their cars are hooked up, so i guess htats the correct set. i'll also try the alfa.
tanx 4 all ur inputs. FUK_WRX ygpm.
10-14-2003, 09:13 PM
#2383
Originally posted by MARKANO
If so, why did Surikarn choose to race the EVO3 instead of his World Champ. 414M??
May be our Thailand friends and Pyramid can help to answer the question??
If so, why did Surikarn choose to race the EVO3 instead of his World Champ. 414M??
May be our Thailand friends and Pyramid can help to answer the question??
Anyway, you can't argue with team orders.
. The yokomo guys also preferred the older versions of the mr4tc over the sp. right?
10-15-2003, 03:13 PM
#2384
yup!
but when the surikarn edition came out he said the the surikarn edition was a bit better..... i dunno maybe thats what tamiya told him to say 
414mII still rocks!
but when the surikarn edition came out he said the the surikarn edition was a bit better..... i dunno maybe thats what tamiya told him to say
414mII still rocks!
10-15-2003, 03:25 PM
#2385
Tech Adept
Now the question is, is this the end for the trf 414 series??? do you think we'll see a TRF 414M3???