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Slo_E4 05-28-2011 12:53 PM

Yes the knuckles. I just called them hubs because that's what they are labeled as on the website...:D

Pro10noob 05-28-2011 03:13 PM

Well i will ask the person who i know has a set of these(he bought it with one of my cars:D :)
I will let you know.

regards Roy



Originally Posted by Slo_E4 (Post 9178281)
Yes the knuckles. I just called them hubs because that's what they are labeled as on the website...:D


Jochim_18 05-30-2011 09:56 PM

They are too soft stick with the stock parts..


Originally Posted by Slo_E4 (Post 9177942)
Hey guys, I tried to order some red wolf front hubs from wolf hobbies, and they ended up out of stock, and they have no idea when they are getting them in from a new vendor...if anyone has them and would like to sell them send me a pm!!! Thanks guys.


Jochim_18 05-30-2011 10:00 PM

Sad to say but Me and Yodog switch to associated TC6 to be competitive and the REEDY race running open MOD.. His still got some upgrade parts for TM E4 spacers, and lipo battery tray.. I'm not really sure his going to keep developing and designing prototype parts for E4.. But he might for the TC6 :nod:

td-civ 05-30-2011 11:29 PM

well i got my self another e4 and its going to be here soon but there is one thing i need to ask

is anyone running a savox 1257tg servo on there car or should i stick with a low profile servo

i just have a brand new 1257tg

Evoracer 05-31-2011 02:57 PM


Originally Posted by Jochim_18 (Post 9188441)
Sad to say but Me and Yodog switch to associated TC6 to be competitive and the REEDY race running open MOD.. His still got some upgrade parts for TM E4 spacers, and lipo battery tray.. I'm not really sure his going to keep developing and designing prototype parts for E4.. But he might for the TC6 :nod:

Wow, do you guys really feel the E4 isn't at the same level as the TC6 ?? I'm curious what areas you think the E4 is lacking in. I love the car but I may try the TA06 when its realeased simply because of the massive support for Tamiya cars. But i can't say it's because I believe it'll be a better handling car. The E4 is pretty darned good. I'd like to hear your opinions.

td-civ 05-31-2011 03:26 PM

anyone have a set of k-factory K2110 - E4 Alum. 7075 Steering Block that are willing to sell let me know please thanks

YR4Dude 05-31-2011 07:55 PM


Originally Posted by Jochim_18 (Post 9188441)
Sad to say but Me and Yodog switch to associated TC6 to be competitive and the REEDY race running open MOD.. His still got some upgrade parts for TM E4 spacers, and lipo battery tray.. I'm not really sure his going to keep developing and designing prototype parts for E4.. But he might for the TC6 :nod:

Sorry to hear that but I don't blame you guys. It is for the same reason why I run an XRay.

One of the biggest issues with the E4 is parts supply especially options and the lack of aftermarket parts available through convenient sources economically. Kind of like OFNA cars where you'll get a good deal on the kit but will get burned on the parts.:mad:

However, I would suggest that it is best that you keep up your efforts to produce parts for the E4 simply because you don't have much competitiion here. With the TC6, there will be plenty of others making options for it such that yours will go un-noticed.

Jochim_18 05-31-2011 11:35 PM

Just simply luck of development on the car we are running 3 years old design I know their is a new car coming out but you just can't wait forever. Me and yodog tried to keep the car on it's phase but simply we just can't be competitive enough to race in a big event such as the REEDY race. We run the E4 on few club races at norcal hobbies prior to REEDY race the car just can't keep up with phase of a current modern TC so we both decided to switch car. With TC6 we quickly pick up the phase and some what competitive in the Open MOD class just got beat by a better driver lol..

td-civ 06-07-2011 12:39 AM

has anyone run a gear diff in ther car?

Pro10noob 06-07-2011 12:43 AM

If you can find some one who makes a gear diff for the TM then i am willing to try:sneaky::D

regards Roy



Originally Posted by td-civ (Post 9220672)
has anyone run a gear diff in ther car?


Evoracer 06-08-2011 04:55 AM

Just an observation: I don't care what anyone say's..... the Tamiya TA06 is most definitely VERY similar in design to the E4. I think it's a shame that TM or WH didn't ACTIVELY support this car in recent times. Now the cats out of the bag. Unless TM makes some sort of huge splash with the new version of the car.....it'll be extinct very soon. Sad !

td-civ 06-08-2011 11:20 AM

well i got my car today and just getting it ready till i try to put my lipo in it F^&K it dose not fit

what lipo packs are you guys running in the car

mine is a smc c-max

AreCee 06-08-2011 11:36 AM


Originally Posted by td-civ (Post 9227407)
well i got my car today and just getting it ready till i try to put my lipo in it F^&K it dose not fit

what lipo packs are you guys running in the car

mine is a smc c-max

Just raise the upper plate to allow the thicker battery to fit. I used 1mm shims to fit a 3800 pack in there but any higher capacity battery will be thiicker.

I never ran out of battery in any 6 minute race with the 3800. It's too bad that people insist on these enormous mah packs.

td-civ 06-08-2011 11:57 AM


Originally Posted by AreCee (Post 9227461)
Just raise the upper plate to allow the thicker battery to fit. I used 1mm shims to fit a 3800 pack in there but any higher capacity battery will be thiicker.

I never ran out of battery in any 6 minute race with the 3800. It's too bad that people insist on these enormous mah packs.

yes tru but i run17.5 and 5.5 mod lol and i need 5000mah or higher lol

my pack is a little too long too so its going up for sale so i can get a new one

Evoracer 06-08-2011 04:10 PM

I have no problem using my Zippy Flightmax 4000mah hard case packs. All 3 cars are FS models. I actually use some foam tape on the drivers side of the battery tray to keep the battery towards the center of the chassis. I'm surprised your having problems with anything under 4000mah but shimming the deck will certainly work.

Pro10noob 06-08-2011 04:57 PM

If you want to run the bigger/higher amps lipo,you can use the K-factory lipo conversion kit as i do.
I can fit the LRP 5300MAH in there without any problem.

regards Roy

td-civ 06-08-2011 05:14 PM

well im going to have to order that kit but my pack is so longer then the tray so im just going to get another pack and sell mine :(

one2three_us 06-08-2011 11:17 PM

Dont give up the car! There ways make the E4 to work with ur batteries. I'm currently using a 6000mAh 60C lipo. All you have to do is raising upper deck by 1 or 2 mm (depends on battery), trim the front pulley holder down, and at last, level the front battery tray, including the screw holes. All you need is the rear screw holes which will keep the battery in place. You can even use batteries with dean plugs.

I'd been driving X-rays and been looking for something different for a while. On carpet track with foams, my E4 is much better and responsive then my T3 and TCX. There's potential on this car. It's all about your setup

rkhess 06-09-2011 07:43 AM

the infield is where these cars make thier money! my JS became very competitive with a spool love that little guy

td-civ 06-09-2011 07:44 PM

i got my pack to fit it was a pain im the a$$ but its in cant run it yet as one of the arms are cracked so i need to get some

if you guys have extra lower arms front and back that your willing to sell and any other parts that i wi;ll need as back up let em know ill buy them off you guys

here is the list of k factory part im going to buy let me know if there is anything more i should get

7075 Adjustable Single Bell Crank Steering Set (k2121)
E4 Alum. 7075 Steering Block Set (k2110)
E4 Alum. 7075 Middle Shaft Mount (k2103)
E4 Alum.7075 Rear Bulkhead Upper Mount (k2144)
E4 Alum.7075 Front Bulkhead Upper Mount (k2143)

Pro10noob 06-09-2011 11:58 PM

Why do you need extra low arms??
Do you use to long springs?
The RS arms(new type now) are low enough to do the job:D
About the K-factory parts, the E4 Alum. 7075 Middle Shaft Mount (k2103)
isn't all that needed.
It is nice and bling bling and perhaps gets you car up to weight without adding some lead to it:sneaky: but it is also expensive.
Give me a hoaler about the bulkheads as you know i can get my hands on some red one for a lot less then the K-factory price:sneaky::sneaky:
The 3 degrees alloy C-hubs might also be a option instead of the middle mount.

regards Roy


Originally Posted by td-civ (Post 9234281)
if you guys have extra lower arms front and back that your willing to sell and any other parts that i wi;ll need as back up let em know ill buy them off you guys

here is the list of k factory part im going to buy let me know if there is anything more i should get

7075 Adjustable Single Bell Crank Steering Set (k2121)
E4 Alum. 7075 Steering Block Set (k2110)
E4 Alum. 7075 Middle Shaft Mount (k2103)
E4 Alum.7075 Rear Bulkhead Upper Mount (k2144)
E4 Alum.7075 Front Bulkhead Upper Mount (k2143)


td-civ 06-10-2011 12:29 AM


Originally Posted by Pro10noob (Post 9235107)
Why do you need extra low arms??
Do you use to long springs?
The RS arms(new type now) are low enough to do the job:D
About the K-factory parts, the E4 Alum. 7075 Middle Shaft Mount (k2103)
isn't all that needed.
It is nice and bling bling and perhaps gets you car up to weight without adding some lead to it:sneaky: but it is also expensive.
Give me a hoaler about the bulkheads as you know i can get my hands on some red one for a lot less then the K-factory price:sneaky::sneaky:
The 3 degrees alloy C-hubs might also be a option instead of the middle mount.

regards Roy

i have the 3 degrees alloy C-hubs they came with the car
the car is a fs with rs parts on it but when i got the car the right front lower arm was broke so i need one before i run it plus i want spare parts in case i brake them again lol

and for the red bulkheads i have nothing on the car that is red lol

i cant wait to run the car i so miss having a team magic e4

broken arm
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b4...10610-0321.jpg
almots done need to add my rx and get my new body and put on my new wheels
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b4...10610-0320.jpg
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b4...10610-0321.jpg
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b4...10610-0321.jpg

Pro10noob 06-10-2011 12:42 AM

Front arms are all the same as far as i know.
Rear are different between the FS and RS if they are still the original arms.
Also the alloy part in the arms are gone with the new type.
Nice car by the looks of it:)

regards Roy

gearhead1962 06-10-2011 01:38 AM

Hey that is a good looking car:smile: With the fs chassis I prefered the plastic bulkhead, a little more flex and what not. Sorry again about that arm man:(
Also I had flipped the steering crank around to get rid of bump steer. The guys at my track who where running the car more regularly than I was had real good results with that. Have fun with her and treat her right, she will be missed.

td-civ 06-10-2011 10:25 AM


Originally Posted by gearhead1962 (Post 9235282)
Hey that is a good looking car:smile: With the fs chassis I prefered the plastic bulkhead, a little more flex and what not. Sorry again about that arm man:(
Also I had flipped the steering crank around to get rid of bump steer. The guys at my track who where running the car more regularly than I was had real good results with that. Have fun with her and treat her right, she will be missed.

thanks man i know you will be happy with the photon lol
the steering is set thatway becaue i hadto left the top deck up so my pack will fit so the steering links hit the deck so i changed it

ill change it after i test it if i have too

Slo_E4 06-10-2011 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by td-civ (Post 9234281)
i got my pack to fit it was a pain im the a$$ but its in cant run it yet as one of the arms are cracked so i need to get some

if you guys have extra lower arms front and back that your willing to sell and any other parts that i wi;ll need as back up let em know ill buy them off you guys

here is the list of k factory part im going to buy let me know if there is anything more i should get

7075 Adjustable Single Bell Crank Steering Set (k2121)
E4 Alum. 7075 Steering Block Set (k2110)
E4 Alum. 7075 Middle Shaft Mount (k2103)
E4 Alum.7075 Rear Bulkhead Upper Mount (k2144)
E4 Alum.7075 Front Bulkhead Upper Mount (k2143)

I have a few sets of arms that I can spare for ya if you like. And also a set of front hubs, rear hubs, and caster blocks. I working on trying to get Pro10noob's car so help me help you. :D:lol:

There is a pic below... PM me for details if you are interested

td-civ 06-10-2011 04:06 PM


Originally Posted by Slo_E4 (Post 9237826)
I have a few sets of arms that I can spare for ya if you like. And also a set of front hubs, rear hubs, and caster blocks. I working on trying to get Pro10noob's car so help me help you. :D:lol:

There is a pic below... PM me for details if you are interested



you got pm :D

Pro10noob 06-11-2011 02:01 AM

Lol@Slo;)

In the sale (my car that is) are also new lower arms front and rear:nod::D;)

regards Roy


Originally Posted by Slo_E4 (Post 9237826)
I have a few sets of arms that I can spare for ya if you like. And also a set of front hubs, rear hubs, and caster blocks. I working on trying to get Pro10noob's car so help me help you. :D:lol:

There is a pic below... PM me for details if you are interested


YR4Dude 06-11-2011 02:18 PM


Originally Posted by Slo_E4 (Post 9237826)
I have a few sets of arms that I can spare for ya if you like. And also a set of front hubs, rear hubs, and caster blocks. I working on trying to get Pro10noob's car so help me help you. :D:lol:

There is a pic below... PM me for details if you are interested

I'll take those arms if you're willing to sell them to me. PM me your price and PP address.

Evoracer 06-14-2011 04:59 AM

Anybody have any news on the updated car ?? I keep looking at the TA06 but I still believe the E4 is a better design. I know in VTA and GT it's perfect. The tweaks in the upgraded version should make it a solid performer. Somebody give those folks at TM a kick in the ass so they don't drop the ball on this chassis. :nod::nod:

YR4Dude 06-14-2011 08:47 AM


Originally Posted by Evoracer (Post 9253278)
.... I keep looking at the TA06 but I still believe the E4 is a better design.....

I feel the same way too. Just looking at TA06 in comparison with my JS, the JS looks way better. The laydown shocks is just a gimmick, there's a video of someone running the TA06 in Japan with the shocks in the normal position with a front shock tower. I also don't like the front belt rear gear tranny setup. That is so 1st gen RS4. Add to that it has a layshaft way up there when everyone has their layshaft down as low as possible. It just looks very clumsy and there is no comparison to E4.

Really the closest thing to the E4 is the old FSR car.

http://www.tamiyaclub.com/getuserima...4734_1_350.jpg

Evoracer 06-14-2011 03:37 PM

Don't get me wrong...I'm no Tamiya hater. In fact, it's the only NEW car I'd consider buying BUt....little things caught my attention like
1. No consideration for batteries that use banana plugs.
2. Wire routing looks even tougher than the E4. Anybody notice the pics of Satoshi's car where the battery wire is contacting the lower belt ??
3. Even the Tamiya junkies are questioning the layout of the IFS. It just seems wrong. The angle of the shock lever is odd.
4. Compared to the E4, the chassis extensions for the servo and esc seem quite wide. I guess thats why they had to angle them upwards.

Bottom line....the E4 is a really good chassis. Compared to many it's a breeze to work on and the layout just makes sense with little compromise. Little stuff already has fixes like that bulkhead at the left rear that makes motor movement a bit tight.
It seems to me that the changes to the newest version will make the car even better.
I think I'll stick with it. C'mon TM....give us your support.

YR4Dude 06-14-2011 04:16 PM


Originally Posted by Evoracer (Post 9255848)
C'mon TM....give us your support.

What really is needed is better parts support. Really the parts prices for TM is a bit outrageous. I can get Serpent parts for 25% less. Why should TM parts be so expensive. Its not like they're XRay.:sneaky: If their parts were as durable as XRay, I wouldn't mind the cost by they're not.:mad:

Pro10noob 06-14-2011 11:10 PM

YR4Dude???
Ever tried them->http://www.rcmanufactory.com/
Velly cheap:sneaky::D

regards Roy


Originally Posted by YR4Dude (Post 9255995)
What really is needed is better parts support. Really the parts prices for TM is a bit outrageous. I can get Serpent parts for 25% less. Why should TM parts be so expensive. Its not like they're XRay.:sneaky: If their parts were as durable as XRay, I wouldn't mind the cost by they're not.:mad:


YR4Dude 06-14-2011 11:12 PM

Okay, I love my E4JS again.:blush:

Last time I was so frustrated with it, I yanked out all the electronics and shelved it. I just installed a new main chassis and rear section and reinstalled all the electronics again. This time the Novak GTB fitted better up front next to the steering servo. Ran new wiring from the esc to the motor such that it doesn't interfere with the battery hold-down/ top plate. Shimmed the battery hold-down/ top plate and made some clearance on it with a Dremel so that it would fit my 5500 hard shell lipo. That and fixing the Ackerman setting on the steering crank made me happy with the E4JS again.

Even more so, I had problems with the car driving straight. The car seemed to drift no matter how I adjusted the steering trim. Found the problem to be a bad rear wheel bearing. Checked all the wheel bearings, cleaned and lubed them and now its running great again. I guess I've neglected the car and have only myself to blame for my troubles.:sweat:

Anyways, I will be running it this weekend against a TA06 and I'll see how it does.

Evoracer 06-15-2011 04:39 AM


Originally Posted by Pro10noob (Post 9257716)
YR4Dude???
Ever tried them->http://www.rcmanufactory.com/
Velly cheap:sneaky::D

regards Roy

Roy, RCM's prices are ok as compared to the U.S. dollar but after EMS shipping and the 1.5% fee they add on....the prices aren't much different from Wolf Hobbies.
YR4Dude...Glad to hear it !!!

Pro10noob 06-15-2011 10:15 AM

Oww??
Hmmmmmmm, wierd as here in europe even with the ems shipping and so on we still are a lot cheaper when buying from RCM then from our LHS or Wolf.
The US dollar has to be low for us so it would be worth to buy from Wolf.
Don't get me wrong as Wolf got a lot of parts that i have on the car:lol: and i bought them when the dollar was ok for us.
Now some one else is going to be very happy with the car as it is moving to the states:sneaky:

regards Roy


Originally Posted by Evoracer (Post 9258312)
Roy, RCM's prices are ok as compared to the U.S. dollar but after EMS shipping and the 1.5% fee they add on....the prices aren't much different from Wolf Hobbies.
YR4Dude...Glad to hear it !!!


YR4Dude 06-15-2011 03:19 PM


Originally Posted by Pro10noob (Post 9257716)
YR4Dude???
Ever tried them->http://www.rcmanufactory.com/
Velly cheap:sneaky::D

regards Roy

Yes, I've tried them... ONCE!

They are about 25% - 30% less than Wolf. However because they're overseas, it takes about a month to arrive. And because I have a lazy mailman who fails to leave notices:mad: I find myself having to follow-up on the shipment only to find that I need to hassle with picking it up at the post office.

Even still Wolf is not that great either. Eventhough they're within the same state as me, they still take almost a week to arrive from when I order it. In contrast, I ordered XRay parts from Nexus Racing Wed. and got my order on Fri. and they're somewhere in GA, why are they so fast?:rolleyes:

As for upgrades, the only ones available are either Wolf or K-Factory (TM same difference:sneaky:) and they're quite pricey. However, if I have a Serpent or XRay or Tamiya, I have a bunch of different aftermarket choices like 3Racing, CSO, Atomic, and etc all at very reasonable prices.

Do I love my E4JS? Yes! Do I hate the parts support? Yes, most definitely!:nod:

British Menace 06-15-2011 03:34 PM


Originally Posted by YR4Dude (Post 9260659)
Yes, I've tried them... ONCE!

They are about 25% - 30% less than Wolf. However because they're overseas, it takes about a month to arrive. And because I have a lazy mailman who fails to leave notices:mad: I find myself having to follow-up on the shipment only to find that I need to hassle with picking it up at the post office.

Even still Wolf is not that great either. Eventhough they're within the same state as me, they still take almost a week to arrive from when I order it. In contrast, I ordered XRay parts from Nexus Racing Wed. and got my order on Fri. and they're somewhere in GA, why are they so fast?:rolleyes:

As for upgrades, the only ones available are either Wolf or K-Factory (TM same difference:sneaky:) and they're quite pricey. However, if I have a Serpent or XRay or Tamiya, I have a bunch of different aftermarket choices like 3Racing, CSO, Atomic, and etc all at very reasonable prices.

Do I love my E4JS? Yes! Do I hate the parts support? Yes, most definitely!:nod:

Support in general has always been an issue with TM. I've driven their cars for over 10 yrs. I used to be an area sales "person" ... (lol) and was a sponsored driver too. Still no better. So I would get used to the unreliable and less then top notch support and parts service. It seams to be in their blood...
Such a shame cause the cars are cool!!!

BM


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