678LikesFWD TOURING CAR FORUM - Tamiya FF01, FF02, Yokomo YRF-2, Kyosho Mantis FF
10-24-2019, 01:51 AM
#1231
I really don't understand why people are so against home made cars in this particular segment (though TC generally has never been keen on them). I've spent a lot of time and energy on mine and its a 100% legal car so why should I not be allowed to race it because of some misguided thought that somehow a home built car is in some way not in the spirit of everything?? Frankly, after 25 or so years the only thing that keeps me interested in this hobby is my interest in building my own stuff.
Personally I am a fan as well. As this brings more diversity and out of the box thinking from a design perspective.
Also making this more a model building hobby aside from model racing (kits).
I can see the downside especially nowadays as information ideas are easily found/nicked and replicated with the easier availability off 3D printers and small size milling machines
Downside: not so much homemade but more custom made/build using expensive rare composites etc etc making some cars soooo expensive in a costly hobby anyways
if a custom costly unique design will dominate then there would be no fun left for most racers
just my 2cents
10-24-2019, 01:57 AM
#1232
Which brands carry these?
Would you mind sharing you r technique in dealing with these solid-ish sticky oils?
Getting it out the container and your filling routine for the diff.
Appreciate it.
Last edited by PizzaDude; 10-24-2019 at 02:15 AM.
10-24-2019, 02:27 AM
#1233
At the end of the day, it's up to us racers and clubs to decide what we can run. Just because some other entity allows certain things, it doesn't mean that your club needs to. Being in Canada, I will probably never enter an ETS race so it doesn't matter what those guys do over there. I can tell you this though, in our club, we allow all chassis unless it's home-made. We are hobbyists after all and we just want to have a little fun at the end of a long week of boring work. Let's all have some fun and stop bickering about meaningless things.
Even in Europe a lot of racers only attent a single or none ETS race.
No need for any club to bent and yield to any big series’ rules.
Though there are some advantages imho.
In general because of the large number of racers attending, Tires and ESC&Motor, etc are being ‘tested’ quite a bit. Also the rest of the format in general will show it s pro’s and con’s. That is - for most racers, as never will all rc racers agree in general.
Biggest advantage I find is that items used in ETS are quite good available.
And on the FWD topic. I really like the tires and the HW 17.5 RPM limited set.
just shiming in...another 2 cents...
10-24-2019, 04:37 AM
#1235
As Hanulec mentioned, Team Gravity link .
I currently use 2.5m in the diff of my VBC FF17.
Team Gravity includes a nice little plastic large volume syringe to suck up the lube and deposit into the diff during assembly. The process is tedious, so you need patience. It needs to slowly ooze into the internals and allow air to escape up and out....it takes a while to get the volume right, otherwise you risk blowing seals or stripping screws. I would remove small amounts by plunging a tooth pick or nail into the lube and allow it to settle again before attempting reassembly.
Because of the nature of removal (disassemble, invert, and let it ooze out over several hours), and the VBC parts relative in-expense, I kept 2 pre-assembled diffs with different viscosity (2.5m and 20m) on the pit table when I was testing.
I refresh once each season.
10-24-2019, 06:45 AM
#1236
I really don't understand why people are so against home made cars in this particular segment (though TC generally has never been keen on them). I've spent a lot of time and energy on mine and its a 100% legal car so why should I not be allowed to race it because of some misguided thought that somehow a home built car is in some way not in the spirit of everything?? Frankly, after 25 or so years the only thing that keeps me interested in this hobby is my interest in building my own stuff.
10-24-2019, 06:50 AM
#1237
Gravity RC has 1mil and 2.5 mil diff lube as well. I was running 1mil on my FWD and it was pretty good. I was going to try 2.5 mil but I went with a spool instead. For getting it out, sometimes a syringe is required depending on the container.
Last edited by eevul; 10-24-2019 at 07:35 AM.
10-24-2019, 07:44 AM
#1238
Thanks for the feedback
10-24-2019, 08:35 AM
#1239
Tech Master
Are those actually brass? Or maybe anodized aluminum to brass/gold? Brass is heavy and soft. Deforms easily compared to aluminum.
10-24-2019, 01:48 PM
#1241
The reality is that a self made car is very rarely going to come along and blow everyone away and if it does, you probably need to look at the driver as much as the car. Its highly unlikely the a self taught, undiscovered Gordon Murry or Adrian Newey is tinkering away in his shed with a dremel and a drill press (and more frequently these days a cheap cnc and 3d printer) reinventing the RC car as we know it and people just need to get over themselves and get on with racing.
10-24-2019, 02:07 PM
#1242
The reason most people build stuff themselves is for the technical challenge of doing it and learning the skills that go along with it - not because they are some uber-engineer in secret re-inventing the world.
Last edited by ShadowAu; 10-24-2019 at 03:24 PM. Reason: Calmed my language down a bit
10-24-2019, 03:09 PM
#1244
I believe my basic point still stands regardless - why make a distinction between someone building something (radical) in their back shed or a "company" producing something like the original Gizmo or Serpent with its "radical" suspension in its recent TC cars. Just like Gerd in your examples I'll happily make someone a copy of my cars if they are willing to pony up the $$$ and wait the time it takes to make one.
Last edited by ShadowAu; 10-24-2019 at 03:31 PM.
10-24-2019, 03:26 PM
#1245
And just where do we get them? - I have enough issues just getting 7075 Aluminium in practical hobby amounts - I couldn't imagine trying to get anything more exotic
As I said above - the reality of that happening is so remote that really it shouldn't even come into considerations. There is a reason why all the major brand's cars look the same and have similar layouts - because they work and have had hours and hours of track testing before going on sale. I still think its an exception, rather than regular, that someone is going to knock something up in their shed that is going to blow everyone else away
The reason most people build stuff themselves is for the technical challenge of doing it and learning the skills that go along with it - not because they are some uber-engineer in secret re-inventing the world.
As I said above - the reality of that happening is so remote that really it shouldn't even come into considerations. There is a reason why all the major brand's cars look the same and have similar layouts - because they work and have had hours and hours of track testing before going on sale. I still think its an exception, rather than regular, that someone is going to knock something up in their shed that is going to blow everyone else away
The reason most people build stuff themselves is for the technical challenge of doing it and learning the skills that go along with it - not because they are some uber-engineer in secret re-inventing the world.