speedsterblade

..warmers are cheaper than a BL system what is silly to me is I shouldn't have to buy 'better' gear (what ever it may be) to get an advantage...they should be more even w/ all the rules.

thanks for the offer to help, it's much appreciated and more positive than agruing. Instead of getting into all the detail at this time, I think I've figured out his advantage. I've been talking the #1 guy, he's a friend but a strong rival in every class we race (we run offroad too). I've determine it's his new battery that's given him the speed. Ever since he started running those packs he's been too fast for anyone to catch. I bought the same pack couple weeks back but requires me to notch out my chassis and I didn't want to so put the pack in the TC. I'm just going to dremel the chassis and see what that pack does for me....and go from there..I'm not really the type to go cry'n to the race director..he's too fast.

speedsterblade

Sauce was a factor but I got the formula now. I picked up 3 tenths with the new formula. I'm still down 3-5 tenths per lap.

speedsterblade

Thanks for the comment & suggestions Jimmy. wish i could find 4 tenths just on a setup change!

We are fairly equal drivers though I'm typically faster through the infield, especially the fast sweeper. Setups are both fairly dialed but I'm sure I can prolly squeeze a tenth maybe 2 with some fine tuning but practice/tuning/track time is limited..and out of tuning ideals as the car is working pretty well in the corners with the current setup. Last race I focused souly on my lines but could only better my best lap by 2 tenths which helped me stay on the same lap (which was a first in a long time) but no way can I run him down & pass...just lose too much down the straight.

speedsterblade

"It's too bad the race director doesn't step in,"

To his defense the normal director was out of town this past race...It's club racing and pretty loose, he may or may not ever step in on his own/without complaints....but honestly I'm not the type to go bitchn he's too fast to race control. If the director calls him out on his own ok but I'd rather find some speed/improve instead of slowing anyone down...

Racer X79

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Speedsterblade- If you guys are running 21.5/lipo's(which it sounds like you are?), the batteries shouldn't make that much of a difference. I'd be sure to double check his internal drive ratio and make sure he's not under 4.2 at all. Also, if he's at 4.2000 and your at 4.285-that is enough to make a difference on a large straight. I just really don't like to hear about people, especially T/A guys, spending money on stuff they don't need, or buying this or that because the fast guy has it.

speedsterblade

17.5 & 27t with lipos is what most run. I know the fast guy picked up I'd say .5 sec easy...(I picked up .5 sec easy in my 13.5 TC w/ this pack so I know it's a great pack)....and he'll straight up tell me, your car is too slow when I run my 'X' pack. So I'll be dremel'n my chassis to fit my pack in...won't cost me nothing but robbin it from the TC. May be robbin the gtb next!

He's running a tc3 (2 actually 1 brushed, 1 17.5..and he says his brushed car is faster! and quit running it 'to give us a chance!), I forgot about checking for any internal changes... I'll see what this pack does before I have him show me the in'ards..... lol. I honestly don't think he'd try to cheat like that. But his head is getting bigger and bigger w/ each win and it must come to an end!

reenmachine

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Oh man you're going to get eaten alive now since you're not even running USVTA!

oeoeo327

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Quick clarification - the Mushroom Bowl is in Southeastern PA (Kennett Square, to be exact...). Come one, come all, as it should be a great event.

TwoTone

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If you aren't willing to slow down to keep the racing close and just want to dominate, then the class really isn't for you.

This class and most I've of the people I've met that race it are into it because it's about CLOSE door to door racing.
If you spanking everyone then whats the point?

Racer X79

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Lol! Anyways, Speedsterblade - you're wayyyy off the chart with any sort of T/A advise with running the 27t or 17.5 with lipo's or 6 cells. You guys must have a bigger track and don't like the limited speeds with a 4 cell, but I guess I can see that. Your best bet is to run the same gearing as your normal TC then, it's basically a 24mm rubber tire set up and dial in more rear grip to make up for the lack of downforce.

Now, on a diffrent note.......I'm all for helping anyone, but please, PLEASE don't come on here and semi bash USVTA and it's "spirit" or "rules" when you are not even following them. Talk to your racing buddies and slow you cars down by following the USVTA guidelines and you will get a whole diffrent outlook.

squarehead

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Ooohhhhhh boy.

Scottrik

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+1

And add a

chicagokenji

Am I wrong but don't all Lipo batteries used in RC come from China?

Is there a US company manufacturing LiPo cells?

BIG JIM WOODMAN

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Korea makes them as well.

nashrcracer

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don't pick on speedster too bad for the 27/17.5 lipo 6cell. we do run a gear ratio like the 21.5 lipo rule. we just don't have anybody running 4cells and most guys had the 17.5 or 27t

as his race director yep that's me. I believe that the VTA class at our track should police themselves to some extent in club racing as it's suppose to be a fun class. if someone is cheating to win the VTA class he's a bigger loser then you running legal and getting beat. that's like cartment winning the special olympics. the guy he's running against isn't fast (every race I have run the guy I have lapped him but one that I completely blew out on.) he just spends a lot on getting his brushed motors done. I know because I tru them. and he spends a lot of money to get good 27t motors. he's bought like 7 or 8 from me. again not in the spirit but he takes TA competively. we are trying to get hime to stick in the foam 13.5 class that we have. but he has fun beating people by a lap, go figure.

again I believe that the spirit of the VTA class is right with the motors that they run accept the 21.5 but that has been beat to death here already. it's still a fact that a well tuned 27t is going to be faster then a 17.5 and a good lipo pack will push a 21.5 to the front anyday drivers being equal. and if the track thinks that there is an advantage to one or the other motor they regulate it which is within the rules. at this point with this flow don't debate the motors as it's doug's rules and to some extent they are working.

the debate that should be going on is VTA a class for competive racing diehards that are always looking for that 2 or 3 tenths. and what equipment is considered working too hard on your VTA.