wyd

iTrader: (51)

My shop deals with Horizon Distributors. They show alot of the Pro4 parts but all the arms and hubs are backordered. They did show an arrival date to them for the 22nd of this month. So if that is so my shop would get their B/o filled and I will have my stuff by the weekend.

black-knight

What effect is this option likey to have on the front end? Less turn in, but added stability?

Darkseid

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I must admit, I too am a little skeptical of the idea that HPI has parts just sitting around and no one is ordering them...

Every shop that carries the suspension arms has them out of stock or on back order, I can't believe they wouldn't be hounding the the distributors to get them to them.

But hey...I guess its possible that the distributors just don't want to order something they know the shops would sell imediately...possible...


And I guess this exact same situation just happened to occur with the R40 when it first came out...

Joneser

iTrader: (1)

I appreciate Erik being on-line and offering help as he can. I can't believe however that this is an issue with most all the shops and distributors. I should not have to order from japan!!! I also want to know what precious metal the chubs are made from....$10.00+ for two of them???? I should be able to recycle them when they are done for that price...or maybe melt them down for some jewelery for the wife or something!!!

Turbo Joe

iTrader: (41)

I was out last night at one of the local Hobby People looking for parts...they were all talking about how hard it is to get HPI parts. The manager even commented about how they had all kinds of drama getting R40 parts...and how they're just now getting all the parts...LOL

ECHOLogic

Pro 4 signed and dated by Hara. Available at Superior Hobbies.... Orlando, FL.
Hara was in the store today visiting before the preworlds practice and race later in the week. He signed several kits. If you are interested give us a call 407-834-9299.

CraigH

Well tower now list the arms bo till may. Great ,I have a 300 dollar car I can't race. Should have stuck with the tc3. It doesnt handle as good but at least there is parts. Good Job HPI!

Pro4

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How much would these kits cost compared to the normal pro4

Frank McKinney

You're talking about supply issues at a chain whose stores keep one pair of wheels in stock at a time...


As far as the supply issues go, it's apparent that not all of you guys have experience dealing with things from behind the scenes, which is to be expected. There's a clear chain of events that happens:

- car owner needs the part
- car owner contacts hobby shop, who either sells the part or if the car owner asks, orders the part
- shop orders the part if requested or (should) order the part to replace the now-missing part
- distributor gets order from shop, sends the part if in stock or places the part on order with manufacturer
- manufacturer gets order from distributor, send the part if in stock or places the part on backorder list from supplier

You can see that there are many links to the chain. If a manufacturer doesn't get orders from distributors, their stock runs low and when a big order comes in from the distributors there's a certain amount of "lead time" that it takes for the manufacturer to get the parts. The lead time is made up of order processing time, actual manufacturing time, shipping time (surface shipments from Asia take a while), and order processing time (again, to go through Customs and the receiving portion of the warehouse, Customs can take a few days on its own). Then there's the shipping time to the distributors, processing time again, shipping time to the shops, then to you.

The lead time for a West Coast manufacturer to get stuff from Asia can be three or four months (!) after everything is considered. The manufacturer may not sell onesy-twosy quanitities to distributors, so the distributors may have to wait until demand builds up for an item and they can place an order for 5 or 10 quantity of a certain part - who knows how long that can take. Then the shop has to get the order from the customer, who may or may not be even requesting the part be ordered. So you can see that it could take up to 6 months or more for the whole supply chain to catch up. You're able to order loads of parts from Japan or Hong Kong because they're so much closer to HPI Japan, who is so much closer to the suppliers.

Now hopefully it's also easy to see why smaller manufacturers like, say, Penguin, BMI, etc., are able to respond to demand faster because it's usually one or two guys handling everything.

It's true that there are sometimes problems getting parts supply for brand new kits. BUT having worked at HPI myself I can vouch for the fact that the designers give the sales people the list of parts that are likely to need replacing, and the sales people give the distributors this list also. It's up to the distributor to order the parts and convince the shops that they should have them in stock, among the 100,000 or so other parts they could possibly order.

That bit I put in bold up above in the supply chain is where the customer comes in. If you go into your local shop and ask if they have Pro 4 part XXXXX and they don't have it, what do you do? Do you walk out in frustration or do you ask the shop to order it?

If you walk out, the shop doesn't order it, therefore the distributor doesn't order it and you never see the part from that shop. The shop never knows. It's compounded by the fact that many shop employees could care less if you get your part or not (think about the 18-year olds that work at your local Hobby People). If you're talking with the owner or manager they may ask if you want to order the part. Again, if you don't, they shrug, turn to the next customer and you're out the door.

If the manufacturer doesn't get orders they won't order replacements from the suppliers. They don't want to keep the shelves full of tens of thousands of dollars worth of product that they may or may not sell - they want to keep the stock moving so they can sell things, not keep the stock there to gather dust. That's money that isn't coming in.

It's an issue that is self-replicating and it's easy to see a lot of problems with the process. I can't offer a solution to cure it but that's how it works, at least from my view. I've worked at the retail level (not in hobby shops but in general), have hung around small retail shops a ton, now work for the distributor, and have worked for a manufacturer so it's easy to see how the system works and sometimes doesn't work.

For the punter (the average Joe), I would suggest finding a favorite local "brick and mortar" shop that you buy kits from and stuff, but have all the local shops in your area (if you're living in SoCal or another place with several shops around) on your mobile phone so you can call and see what's in stock at any time. If none of the shops have anything in stock, call your local and ask them to order it for you. Most managers will happily tell you they get shipments twice a week and if the part's in stock with their distributor you get it in 3 days. Otherwise, there's the multitude of online shops. But if their shopping cart software just tells you "out of stock" on a part, they're not going to know how many more people need that part, they'll just sell out on their next shipment and place another order with their supplier. They want to keep things moving too.

I hope this all made sense and helps you guys see that it's not HPI's fault parts supply is weak right now. The car is still pretty new on the market, no matter what you may think. Parts demand is high and the supply chain hasn't caught up yet.

cHckbOY5

wow thats nice and long

Rich_p

I am trying to get hold of a purple finned motor heatsink like the one used on Haras car.

Is this a HPI option part? If so does anyone have the part number please?

cHckbOY5

its made by eagle/integy

Rich_p

Thanks,

I have checked their site and can only seem to find blue ones.
Do you have a link to a shop that sells them or even has a picture or part number please.

Frank McKinney

That's what she said!

Booyakasha!

cHckbOY5