BMI's DB12R
02-23-2009, 08:28 AM
#7081
02-23-2009, 09:32 AM
#7082
Anyone tried the serpent front end on their DB12??
02-23-2009, 10:37 AM
#7084
I have not personaly tried it but at the snowbirds i was helping a customer with there car and didnt have much luck with that front end. We went back to the stock front end and he liked it better. He gained 5 qualifying positions. Not sure if it was all in the front end or if he had something not right but we couldnt get it to work as well as the stock front end.
The cross brace for the long arm conversion does not fit on the car and has to be cut to fit properly. As a result I had some alignment issues that could not be resolved in time to get the car on pace. Also the king pins are shorter then most so to be able to tune any droop in to the front you have to use the CRC front springs, which I did not have at the time. We do still have 1 driver locally running it on his and liking it. His did not have the alignment problem mine did and he is using the CRC spring. I'm still running the stock front end but I do plan to do some experimenting with the CRC one again when I have more time. For my local asphalt track the front end seemed to work really well...but at the Birds I just didn't have the time to put into correcting the issues we found there so the stock front end was much better.
02-23-2009, 10:38 AM
#7085
Doesn't the Serpent front end use a smaller front screw?
02-23-2009, 11:24 AM
#7086
From what I have seen on stromer, it is s direct fit.
02-23-2009, 11:52 AM
#7087
I think the Serpent car uses smaller screws. But from what I know there are different adapters available for different cars.
02-23-2009, 12:53 PM
#7088
I see...looking at the picture in Stormer's website it appears to have 3 different screw size adapters. Looks like 2 silver ones on the left of the picture and 1 black set on the right side. That is very interesting...I might have to get me one to play around with I shouldn't tinker so much...but its so much fun!
I shouldn't tinker so much...but its so much fun!
02-23-2009, 01:25 PM
#7089
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I see...looking at the picture in Stormer's website it appears to have 3 different screw size adapters. Looks like 2 silver ones on the left of the picture and 1 black set on the right side. That is very interesting...I might have to get me one to play around with I shouldn't tinker so much...but its so much fun!
I shouldn't tinker so much...but its so much fun!http://www.serpent.com/image.php?Ima...69809&size=350
Look just behind the turnbuckles you can see the silver insert in the lower arm.
02-23-2009, 01:37 PM
#7090
I see...looking at the picture in Stormer's website it appears to have 3 different screw size adapters. Looks like 2 silver ones on the left of the picture and 1 black set on the right side. That is very interesting...I might have to get me one to play around with I shouldn't tinker so much...but its so much fun!
I shouldn't tinker so much...but its so much fun!
02-23-2009, 02:02 PM
#7091
I just looked at the pic too. The silver adapters go into the lower arm, they allow track width adjustment. The black adapters go in the aluminum upper arm mount to change the length of the front arm. Check this out.
http://www.serpent.com/image.php?Ima...69809&size=350
Look just behind the turnbuckles you can see the silver insert in the lower arm.
http://www.serpent.com/image.php?Ima...69809&size=350
Look just behind the turnbuckles you can see the silver insert in the lower arm.
02-23-2009, 02:04 PM
#7092
It might...the issue with the CRC using longer springs is with how thick the lower suspension arm is. Not with the design of the pillow ball suspension.
02-23-2009, 02:11 PM
#7093
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Does make it easier to notice.
02-23-2009, 02:26 PM
#7094
IDK guys ... every Serpent car I've owned or seen.. was just too damn delicate for racing here in the states. They don't like the boards at all. Ribbon tracks and grass infields are fine for them. We dont have many (if at all) I the s400 was a frail car at best . I bet this ones just like the other serpent cars. Stick with what you know. Wheres the Kyosho or even Tamiya 12th pan cars?
02-23-2009, 03:12 PM
#7095
the S120 car comes with the small screws. The front end kit by itself comes with the metric and the 8-32 to fit other L4 style front ends.
The car in the pic on our site, on the front end, is a crc car with it.
The good news is that there is enough meat on the front end of the BMI car that you should be able to run the Serpent front end and still have a front body mount in it's stock location.
I've got both in my hand. I'd say it's a bolt on for the BMI
I am intimately familiar with the Serpent car, and the front end is fun and seems to work well. It's not better, it's not worse, it's a tool in your arsenal in a battle against the track. well, that and against that 14 year old kid that sits across from you at the track... the one covered in Cheeto dust, that's putting two laps on ya...
The car in the pic on our site, on the front end, is a crc car with it.
The good news is that there is enough meat on the front end of the BMI car that you should be able to run the Serpent front end and still have a front body mount in it's stock location.
I've got both in my hand. I'd say it's a bolt on for the BMI
I am intimately familiar with the Serpent car, and the front end is fun and seems to work well. It's not better, it's not worse, it's a tool in your arsenal in a battle against the track.
well, that and against that 14 year old kid that sits across from you at the track... the one covered in Cheeto dust, that's putting two laps on ya...
Last edited by Bob-Stormer; 02-23-2009 at 03:31 PM.