The prototype (or self-made car) allowed to russian stock. It meets all the requirements.

shazam just what I was talking about ReflexT Old Schoo.

http://www.overrc.com/news/news2001/...ws01062001.htm

Hey guys, look at this nice photo :smile:
It's opening ceremony of Russian Cup 2007.

Sorry, I forgot to mention that you have to look in the year 2002.

i suck at posting links :blush:

btw you may be the least person i would call dumb on this forum. lol

about the Hi resolution picture that as become my new wallpaper ;) :
in the background we can see a chassis, maybe it can give us an idea of the specs of this mysterious car... :deathstar

i noticed the strange shape of the front, the fact that the cells are in a much more conventional way, the holes to put tape between each cell,mi3 style, the milling of the cf under the motor, plus the strange cuts pretty much everywhere... could someone tell us if it can be a modified XRAY T2 chassis? i do not own one , but my FK05 sure hasn't such droop "ears" in the front...

hard to sleep tonight whithout knowing what's going on with this car...

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In Russia, you're the machine's nightmare

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does it make sense ?I apologize for my poor english. i love wikipedia :tire:

Hahha, it's not perfect, but I think it's better this way. Good try!

it's a 4 wheel drive oval car! shweeet looking ride! imagine that thing with foams and on carpet!

I havent ran stock in eons. How does it measure up to the torque of BRUSHLESS........

I am confuesed on how the gears are. Side motr and shaft??? That's insane!

Don't be. It's a leg pull.

Think TL-01. The motor was mounted sideways like a belt car and had a shaft. This car just mounts the tranny in the middle. Side mounted motor, no "torque steer". That remains to be seen. The car is cut up like swiss cheese, so is light. Lets see what happens.

I check previous photo again, the motor-shaft-90deg-gearbox is indeed on right side of chassis. Interesting stuff, like to see how it designed.

WTF! That Reflex Touring car has a modified Losi XX or XXT chassis!

In soviet Russia, leg pulls you.. !!!!

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Let's give the ruskies a chance. Only thing that comes from that side of the planet is good vodka and caviar<----if thats what you are into. If a decent tourer comes out that lends a totally different concept as to what we've grown accustomed to seeing, lets give it a fair shake. If it does well, kudos to them; if it crashes and burns, well, somebody will be headed to the gulag or siberia. :lol: :nod: :lol:

Looks to me almost like a home built car, the diffs are from associated (pretty sure), antenna mount xray, front upper bumper xray, the hubs all the way around almost look like xray aluminum rear uprights, the upper a arm is a couple of shumacher turnbuckles, lower arms look like xray, etc...

all these parts are for the prototype!! they'll produce all products by them self after the dampers are patented.

rc-car-net editorial office devision told that they'll soonest start in october/november. more news in a few weeks. :rolleyes:

Ok Ok, no need to get all worked up and start using exclamation points. Acutally with a little work it could easily have 4 wheel steering, very interesting

No Shocks, sideways mounted motor in a shaft car. This thing is the work of the Devil!! It's evil I tell you...EVIL!

Well heck...no wonder the car did so well. Two of the cars in that pic don't even have chassis'. I know there are some poor folk in Russia but...

Is it real ?
 

What is the white disk like object next to the motor ? Spur ? :confused:
Why is it there ?
It's hard to tell from the picture how the motor can drive the shaft. :sweat:
Can you tell how's the steering work ?
And, how to mount shocks ?

Is this car for real, or it's just a joke ?

cant tell but the shocks may be mounted like a M18, inboard

Absolutely real.

Exactly, if you are not using the sides of the spur gear, what is it there for? Unless you set screw the output shaft directly from the motor, into something that goes through a series of gears, including a 90 degree transfer, to another output shaft, going to a tradional spur, in the traditional manner.


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Yes, I too was wondering about that. You will also notice that the motor is too close to the spur gear, how did they fit the other gears between the motor and the spur gear. And wouldn't all the gears needed to do the 90degree transfer, etc defeat the supposed efficiency of the shaft drive?

Yes, the car is real and you see the spur ))
As for shocks - even when you see the real car, you won't guess at the moment where it is, because it doesn't looks like a shocks you used to see in every touring car.

Yes, of course some parts are using from current cars, but the suspension are fully original - there are no one part from any other car.

Of course, when the producing started, the car will looks better and all parts will be original.

There will be gearhousing from CNC Aluminium instead geaboxes from PRO4, lower upper deck, lower steering, etc. That car is just to test suspesion - we see, that it works really really good.

Will these dampers also work on bumpy outdoor tracks...
Dampers are not that critical on a carpet track where I assume this car has been tested. But it will be interesting to see it, dampers are so underdeveloped in all classes of rc cars.

it works really good )) both it has different forward-back viscosity.

Some photos of the car from Russian National winter championship:

http://rcauto.spb.ru/forum/index.php...e=post&id=3552
http://rcauto.spb.ru/forum/index.php...e=post&id=3551
http://rcauto.spb.ru/forum/index.php...e=post&id=3550

that sounds heavy would rather see plastic

It you tighten molded gearboxes too much, it will bind the gears. CNCing them will make them perfect so you can tighten them all the way.

metal threaded inserts in the plastic work well too. And with shaft car gear boxes you never want to tighten them all the way. Bearings are bound to bind up

Thats funny :) but im with Jo90 on this one, nice to see someone developing something different.

And yes, in stock you need all the sharp response you can get from the transmissions "on power loading" and shaft driven cars give that nicely :nod:

But if they were CNC aluminum you could tighten the snot out of them, and they wouldn't bind up. Thay way the diffs are sealed.

not true, I had aluminum diff cases on my tc4 and if you overtighten them they bind the bearings

I think aluminum diff housing will be fine. It'll make up the lost weight for not having traditional coil-over dampers and be eye candy at the same time. Car's gotta meet weight restrictions, and I bet it wouldn't if it was all plastic/cf with the type of suspension they are designing. Looking at that pic there are like 10 lead weights in the front of that thing, alloy diff housings would help. I'd rather not have to put $50 in quarters in my car to make weight, youknowwhatimsayin'? :lol:

Looks cool, can't wait to see how the damping system works! :sneaky:

So from looking at all the pictures and posts, I basically gather that this is a shaft drive 4WD pan car with gear reduction and independent suspension with 1/12th style grease/friction dampers. There's a custom gearbox that mounts directly to the motor shaft and does the 90deg with bevel gears to a shaft where a standard pinion mounts to drive a standard spur like a traditional shaft car. Thats a nice idea for a good "CARPET" CAR! Once is gets lumpy and bumpy outdoors, its back to the traditional shocks and suspension. Still good though, has Marty L. Petersen seen this yet?

MMM OK,,,

100% wrong on both assumptions. 1st it's not a bevel gear that does the 90° transfer, 2nd he wouldn't be patenting the shocks if they were the same thing as used in 12th scale. I know the designer, he's a very talented engineer, and although I don't know everything that's going on with that car, I can tell you we're in for a few innovations there.

Okay then is he using something like a flex drive similar to a Dremel tool for the 90? Is the dampening separate of the springs? If so, is he using leaf springs?