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Old 07-15-2025 | 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by gigaplex
I know a friend's one was bent out of the box, they had to send him a new one. It had warped where the chassis was thinner at the motor cutouts.
This is what I was worried about hearing, I would guess it's only around .8mm thick around the motor cutouts, incredibly thin for aluminum to retain trueness. Ironically Xray sells a 1.5mm thick Flex Alu chassis that they state in the description that it's strictly for competition races only and has reduced durability. This bleeding edge advancement in chassis design has its limits for independent drivers like myself that can't pocket $130 USD chassis over a small oopsie, I'd have preferred they offered a MTC2 carbon chassis option. Not sure if I want to "upgrade" to the MTC3 just yet. Maybe see if Mugen does something down the lines like the steel chassis or a MTC3R with a carbon chassis option.
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Old 07-15-2025 | 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Kaspurr84
This is what I was worried about hearing, I would guess it's only around .8mm thick around the motor cutouts, incredibly thin for aluminum to retain trueness. Ironically Xray sells a 1.5mm thick Flex Alu chassis that they state in the description that it's strictly for competition races only and has reduced durability. This bleeding edge advancement in chassis design has its limits for independent drivers like myself that can't pocket $130 USD chassis over a small oopsie, I'd have preferred they offered a MTC2 carbon chassis option. Not sure if I want to "upgrade" to the MTC3 just yet. Maybe see if Mugen does something down the lines like the steel chassis or a MTC3R with a carbon chassis option.
I developed a 2mm carbon chassis for black carpet with a specific fiber orientation that mimics the performance of aluminum or steel depending how you tune it. It doesn't tweak and improves polar moments of inertia. I did one for the A800R and currently have a pro driver running my X4 version. These super thin aluminum or steel chassis is not the correct development path. You're not addressing the real structural performance issues by doing this. Making these super thin chassis and tooth pick top decks is just a band aid to the inherent design flaw on some of these platforms. The CG impact between all the chassis variants is negligible when you consider the overall weight.
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Old 07-15-2025 | 11:05 AM
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Youll split the laminations on a 2mm CF chassis easier then you will bend an alloy or steel chassis.
You may not crack it visibly but at that point your CF chassis will be a wall trophy.
And thats if you dont rip the 90* screw heads through it first.
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Old 07-15-2025 | 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Robbob
if you dont rip the 90* screw heads through it first.
As I get people in the office looking at me funny for the reason why I'm laughing
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Old 07-15-2025 | 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Kaspurr84
... I would guess it's only around .8mm thick around the motor cutouts
As a datapoint: 1.02mm
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Old 07-15-2025 | 02:32 PM
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Are you talking about these screws?



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Old 07-15-2025 | 02:37 PM
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Regarding the choice of C-clips (CTW-28) or O-rings (OR4x1) to hold the plastic lower arm inserts, is there a performance or maintenance reason to use one over the other?



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Originally Posted by archivist
Regarding the choice of C-clips (CTW-28) or O-rings (OR4x1) to hold the plastic lower arm inserts, is there a performance or maintenance reason to use one over the other?


Nope.
Just preference.
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Old 07-15-2025 | 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Robbob
Youll split the laminations on a 2mm CF chassis easier then you will bend an alloy or steel chassis.
You may not crack it visibly but at that point your CF chassis will be a wall trophy.
And thats if you dont rip the 90* screw heads through it first.
Maybe, so far so good with our design...I've got the secret sauce and you don't.
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Old 07-15-2025 | 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Kaspurr84
Has anyone reported bending the 1.5mm aluminum chassis? I know it was a hot topic upon prototyping. But real world issues?
local racer said he bent the chassis in a rash during the sunpadow race in china few weeks back

Another friend with the MTC3 was crashed into on the straight when another racer jumped the track and nailed him on the left front. The front left was completely mangled and the chassis seems to be bent as well.

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Old 07-15-2025 | 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by LowDrag
Maybe, so far so good with our design...I've got the secret sauce and you don't.
Something has to break at some point!

I am guessing you're machining chassis out of quasi isotropic CF plate such as dragon plate? I have wanted to try this idea for some time.

https://dragonplate.com/quasi-isotro...n-fiber-sheets
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Originally Posted by Robbob
Nope.
Just preference.
What are the pros and cons? Hard to prefer one over the other without knowing that.
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Originally Posted by gigaplex
What are the pros and cons? Hard to prefer one over the other without knowing that.
Either you want to deal with the big C clip, potentially flying into the abiss when you put or take it off, or the ease of install from an O-ring but not knowing if its completely seated in the groove and potentially coming off. Not to mention it dry rotting and crack and fall apart after a few months and the arm coming off mid race..
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Old 07-15-2025 | 10:45 PM
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Originally Posted by gigaplex
Aluminium bends more than steel...
When steel bends, it doesn't "spring" back (unless its spring steel). And if they are using steel as a means to make 1.0mm to 1.2mm thick chassis's to get weight down ultra low center of gravity but not weigh too much, all of these ultra thin chassis's will fold like a wet noodle ...LOL

If they offer a thicker 2.0mm aluminum chassis, I'd probably run that and just adjust where I can to make up for the increased height. Unless you're Jacob Cruz, Ron Volker, etc most of us club racers probably won't realize the benefit before we hit something and tweak it. A tweaked thin chassis would hurt our lap times more than just running a thicker chassis that's more durable. I should have all my kits, parts and option parts later this week so will be building one of them for myself to race later this month on a decent sized outdoor asphalt track. So we shall see how the chassis holds up to my driving. Jackson Raceway here in Jackson, NJ has concrete curbs but they're smooth if you ride them right
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Old 07-15-2025 | 11:15 PM
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Originally Posted by TonysScrews
When steel bends, it doesn't "spring" back (unless its spring steel). And if they are using steel as a means to make 1.0mm to 1.2mm thick chassis's to get weight down ultra low center of gravity but not weigh too much, all of these ultra thin chassis's will fold like a wet noodle ...LOL

If they offer a thicker 2.0mm aluminum chassis, I'd probably run that and just adjust where I can to make up for the increased height. Unless you're Jacob Cruz, Ron Volker, etc most of us club racers probably won't realize the benefit before we hit something and tweak it. A tweaked thin chassis would hurt our lap times more than just running a thicker chassis that's more durable. I should have all my kits, parts and option parts later this week so will be building one of them for myself to race later this month on a decent sized outdoor asphalt track. So we shall see how the chassis holds up to my driving. Jackson Raceway here in Jackson, NJ has concrete curbs but they're smooth if you ride them right
Aluminium doesn't tend to spring back either.
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