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Here are some good build tips and notes from b1narych0ice (thank you):

Specific build step comments/warnings, including areas I replaced stock parts -- Think of this as a FAQ that answers questions I had from other builders about each step:

A-3: You can instead use TLR Aluminum Servo Mount here.
A-5: Be sure to get the shorter screw in the correct hole.
A-6: Use a 76 or 78T spur if you are running a 13.5T-21.5T motor instead of the 84 in the kit! and...
A-6: The plastic washer between the pulley and the thrust assembly should be oriented so that the flat side goes toward the pulley, and the side with the ring goes towards the thrust assembly's metal washer. Diagram in instructions is correct, you just can't see that this washer isn't flat on both sides from the illustration.
A-7: Be sure the nut holding the Full-Time 4WD assembly is nice and tight, I have seen it get loose in the 1.0 car!
A-9: Put the gears on the jackshaft before the c-clips, so that you don't have to deal with getting the c-clips off to put the gears on

B-2: It seems to be possible to push the outdrives on so tight that they bind when spun, be sure to ensure that they spin freely as the manual notes.
B-7: You're screwing the 1.3mm screws into metal, don't crank so hard you strip the heads on the screws. While this is metal-on-metal, the manual doesn't call for loctite here.
B-8: The rear diff has fewer/bigger teeth, the front diff has more/smaller teeth.
C-3/C-4: TLR Aluminum Bellcranks and Exotek steering rack can be used here to increase durability/reduce steering slop
C-8: TLR Aluminum A/B Horn can be used to increase durability/reduce steering slop.
D-2: Don't worry about the kingpins sticking out the front even when the nut is tight, the bumper will push them in and keep them there.
D-5: Shock tower screws were the tightest plastic part on my kit, look from the side when tightening down the tower at the gap between the tower and the front bulkhead, tighten until this gap is closed.
D-6/D-7: Don't mix up the CVA pins and the hex pins, should be easy because hex pins are black and CVA pins are silver.
D-8/D-9: Use a toothpick to get threadlock in the metal block instead of applying it to the shoulder bolt, so that you don't get it between the plastic spindle and the metal block.
E-1/E-2: Don't mix up the 10mm pins for the rear hexes with the 11mm pins for the rear CVAs! They are packaged together and both silver, so it's easy to think you just have 4 pins that are the same!
G-1: No need to install the post on the right side if you are running a shorty and use velcro to attach the body to the mud guards. You can move the right post up or down a little so that it snugly fits your shorty battery.
G-2: Aluminum Servo Horn can be used here.
G-4: Adjust the length of the link and the servo horn position so that both the servo horn and the horn on the bellcranks are parallel with each other, and perpendicular with the link.

Hope this helps some of you that are putting your kits together, and thanks to Frank and the TLR crew for a solid kit!

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Driveshaft Update from Frank - I've reviewed some parts today from stock. The 'issue' part is definitely the rear CVA driveshaft bone. The pin slot is not 90* to the bore for the barrel. We are working to get good parts made and here for CS use ASAP.

Some of the parts I checked were not 100% free, but definitely run-able. Keep in mind that the driveshafts should wear in fairly well, and quickly (within a few packs). If you have a 22-4 2.0 and are experiencing issues with the driveshafts, we won't have good replacements for probably a couple of weeks (no definitive timeline yet), so I would recommend running them on track for 1-2 packs, then rechecking. I think most will free up well.

I am sorry that we are having an issue. Everything was great during samples until production, but we'll make sure to get it right, and make it right for those with the bad parts.
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What is the proper level for the diffs...i am used to building 8th scale diffs, i would assume its the same?
Just under level. You need some room for the output gear that is in the cap.

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Frank can u explain what is the difference between the a and b horn, TLR331018?
It isn't the horn, it is the ackermann setting. B will have less off power, better mid corner steering. A will have more off power steering, less mid corner.

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Old 06-06-2019, 11:27 PM
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Does TLR have any plans on a new 4wd?
We're always working on new stuff.
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Sorry I couldn't get back sooner, I'm not able to be here daily.

For me, A ackermann has a wide outer wheel angle, and causes the front end to scrub, which can give more weight transfer and steering, but in a not so natural weight, and it becomes very speed sensitive. B is closer to true ackermann (little scrub), and rolls through the turn much better and is a lot less speed sensitive.

The C ackermann setup gives you an adjustable link so that you can adjust the ackermann as much of as little as you'd like. Most all of the team runs the standard aluminum ackermann parts in the B location.
Hi, thanks for clearing that up. looking forward to trying it with a decent servo in it. will update once ive installed and tested it
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Are you doing the 22 4.0/5.0 rear arm mod?
hi, i havent done the arm mod, still running the kit rear arms, does it make a difference, and what happens
when i use the 4.0/5.0 arms?
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hi, i havent done the arm mod, still running the kit rear arms, does it make a difference, and what happens
when i use the 4.0/5.0 arms?
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It makes a noticeable difference. Rear grip is improved and more consistent. You can also setup for more steering without the car washing out.
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Originally Posted by Frank Root
We're always working on new stuff.
so when are you guys coming out with a new 4wd buggy?
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Originally Posted by Frank Root
We're always working on new stuff.
Good information. So, when is new stuff being released?
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Good information. So, when is new stuff being released?
that's code for, I cant say anything but there's something just around the corner. Otherwise it would be, nothing in the works or no plans.
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Of course a new wheeler is coming, when only the inside guys know
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Sure a 3.0 buggy would be cool, maybe shaft drive with a truggy option? *wink*
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Sure a 3.0 buggy would be cool, maybe shaft drive with a truggy option? *wink*
negative on the shaft driven buggy. Dont change a good thing but an update would be great.
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negative on the shaft driven buggy. Dont change a good thing but an update would be great.
no shaft. still belt driven but easy access to belts, spur gears, and differentials.
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Originally Posted by Phillip F
no shaft. still belt driven but easy access to belts, spur gears, and differentials.
That would be nice.
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Originally Posted by Frank Root
1. We run the SPMSS6240 servo, with the 4" locking lead. It is close to the rear layshaft, but does clear.

2. I would always suggest running B. In all honesty, the A position isn't something we have found to be good in any condition over the past several years.
Ok soo have purchased and installed the ss6240 servo, haven't run it yet but tried it on the bench and it's lightning fast, also purchased the 22 5.0 rear arms, will test it with new servo before installing the arms, also made up a cf wire holder across the front of the servo which passes under the servo linkage and ran another piece of cf to mount the top fan onto, it pivots out of the way if you need to remove the motor.
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Things on a wishlist for a new car would be bigger teeth for the front belt like the schumacher car. Keep it possible to make the drivetrain sealed for oldshool dirttracks, like it is now. Turfdrivers I've talked to complain about lack of steering and skipping belt. Find some way to make it drive like a rear balldiff car with a geardiff. I doesn't take long to rebuild but it would be nice not have to do it at all. It gets gritty after about 6 runs with a mod motor. Otherwise, I really like this car. It's supernice to drive!
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