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Instruction manuals: (C/O BentKa)

Xray XB2 Carpet Edition Instruction Manual
http://www.teamxray.com/xb2/2016/dow...ual_v2_low.pdf

Xray XB2 Dirt Edition Instruction Manual
http://www.teamxray.com/xb2/2016/dow...w.pdf?update=2

BentKa: Carpet Edition 4 gear to 3 gear laydown conversion parts:
  • Gearbox #323014
  • Motorplate #324012
  • 36T idler gear #324236
  • Brace for waterfall #324031


Socket: Bodies Available:

Xray has two OEM bodies, the .75mm and the .50mm light weight:
light weight: https://www.amainhobbies.com/xray-xb...329701/p492942

OEM .75mm: https://www.amainhobbies.com/xray-0....329700/p477762

Also, I've fitted the yz2 body, both the light and regular fit fine, just make your own cut lines:
https://www.amainhobbies.com/yokomo-...z2-101/p417674


[i] J Concepts S2 Body [i]


Penguin Racing makes a high grip body that fits the DE and CE:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/X-Ray-Xb2-Hi...oAAOSw1S9WewHV



Socket: Wheel fitment:

According to some, you'll require different offset rear hexes to use B5M wheels. According to my Hudy setup board, B5M wheels are the same offset. I measured the overall width of the car with XB2 wheels, and then again with B5M wheels, same measurement.

On the front, B5M wheels were 1.5mm wider. Xray offers hexes to reduce width -.75 on each side, or you could spend 3-5 minutes and sand your OEM hexes down .75mm.

edit by dgrobe2112
here are the hubs for losi and AE

for AE Front 365354 -0.75
for Losi rear 365358 +3.00 (4 stripe)
for AE rear 365359 +3.75 (5 stripe) or add 1.5mm carbon avid spacers



Socket: Flex and the XB2:

Flex screws are as follows:

Plastic bulkhead between motor and waterfall. Can remove screw in chassis, or remove bulkhead altogether.

Waterfall has 4 screws, can remove the inner two or outer two. IIRC, removing the inner two provides more flex, and thus more bite.

Removing the battery brace. This gives a tremendous amount of flex on the middle of the car, and can sometimes be inconsistent. I do this for outdoor racing on low bite. I like the feel over the 4 gear in 17.5 racing, since the 4 gear will take some snap away off the corner.

Rear C block - has inner and outer screws. I haven't played with this, as it's a crucial pivot point of the car.

Medium arms and towers -> I don't believe the carpet car has the rear medium tower available, however the DE DOES have an optional hard part. I think the hard parts are more consistent, especially when it gets hot (90+ degrees F). However, the medium parts do NOT break unless you're severely talented. They also don't wear out.



Socket: Avid/Schelle Slipper mod:

Credit to WillS, Matt Trimmings, and myself for figuring this out months ago.

Parts you'll need:

B5M V2 3gear compatible top shaft.
TKO Special 5x13x5 bear OR 5x13x6 bearing Either can work. This replaces the spur side bearing on the top shaft.
5mm shims, same shims used in 1/8th scale clutch bells. Look for protek .1mm and .2mm kit.
Avid or Schelle b5m top shaft kit, with spur gears of your choosing. (DE can't handle a 69, the CE can)

Shimming: You'll need to install the bearing in the front portion of the removable piece for the shaft. Make sure the bearing is pushed all the way in. With the TKO bearing, you'll need to shim approximately 1.4mm on the front side of the top shaft. Roughly .3-.5mm with the other bearing. This is a "feel" and tolerance setting. I urge you to watch videos about setting clutch bell play in 1/8th scale to get an idea of what yield you want for end play. Too tight, it'll eat bearings.

Outside of trans case: Use Avid/Schelle top shaft spacer plus .2mm shim to offset slipper from motor plate perfectly. Install slipper as instructed, and use Avid/Schelle spring and XB2 slipper nut.

- NEW - Schelle now sells Xb2 Topshafts. They include a spacer, so no need for shims in gearbox, and comes with the smaller bearing. Both methods work.

Socket: Yokomo Differential or MIP pucks:

Credit to: WillS for figuring out pucks, and as well fitting the Losi 22 diff with the same mods.

Parts needed: Yokomo Bmax2 or YZ2 complete diff OR Mip PUCKS outdrives
Xb2 diff gear
Bmax2 V3 Worlds rear dog bones, or Bmax 2 pucks dog bones
You'll use XB2 axles, and will require no other mods for the axles or dog bones.
You'll need .2mm outdrive/diff shims. Shim approximately .5mm on each side of the diff, behind the bearings. The top portion of the transmission is what "sets" the diff in place, not the bottom half. A little play back and forth is fine, the stock diff has some play from the factory.

dgrobe2112: CE to DE conversion:
along with the parts needed.. you MUST have these following hardware, or it wont work

https://www.teamxray.com/xb2/2016/do...conversion.pdf

(3) XRAY 902340 M3x40 button head screws. these are the screws that mount the motor mount to the tranny
(4) XRAY 903322 M3x22 counter sunk screws. these are for the rear diff case, to mount to the chassis. i think i used some M3x18 and they worked ok.

Socket: Best method for setting up the XB2 ball diff:

The XB2 diff is stellar when setup correctly. The spring is too short and soft, allowing the diff to slip. You'll need to glue the rings to the outdrives with just a drop of CA, then add a 1mm shim between the spring and the outdrive. This preloads the spring and stops the diff from slipping so easily.

OR, you can run the AE diff spring, which is both slightly longer, and stiffer. The overwhelming issue is the stock spring allows the nut to bottom out on the outdrive before the diff is tight enough.

This shim:
https://www.amainhobbies.com/xray-al...a303122/p12070

This diff spring (don't need a shim, then.)

https://www.teamassociated.com/parts...thrust_spring/

Functional Aftermarket parts: (Not just bling!)

Servo Horn: (The B5M sized horns are too short to get full throw)
https://www.amainhobbies.com/protek-...800-bk/p273496


Socket: Exotek has a full suite of parts, some bling, some not. Here's a list (all fit DE and CE, unless otherwise noted):

Titanium front axles: http://www.exotekracing.com/xb2-titanium-front-axles-2/

Rear Hanger, HD (Adds 4 grams): http://www.exotekracing.com/xb2-rear...75-heavy-duty/

Brass C block, 18 grams added: http://www.exotekracing.com/xb2-rear...-brass-weight/

Alloy front camber mount: http://www.exotekracing.com/xb2-fron...er-mount-7075/

Carbon Fiber Chassis: http://www.exotekracing.com/xb2-carb...m-plate-2-5mm/

Alloy rear hubs:http://www.exotekracing.com/xb2-allo...ub-set-2-7075/

Alloy servo mounts, allow for use of LP servo:http://www.exotekracing.com/xb2-xb4-...-alloy-1-pair/

Titanium shock mounts: http://www.exotekracing.com/xb2-xb4-...shock-posts-2/

Slipper Eliminator: http://www.exotekracing.com/xb2-direct-spur-mount/
Xray eliminator is #324100

dgrobe2112: 2016-2017 new 3 gear laydown
Gearbox #323014
Motor plate #324012
36T idler gear #324236
Brace for waterfall #324031

dgrobe2112: Xray Spring Rate Conversion:
front C WHT
368174 2 str 0.65-0.85 3.71-4.85

358184 2 dot 0.65 3.71
368185 3 dot 0.72 4.11
368186 4 dot 0.80 4.57


Rear
368273 2 str 0.35-0.45 2.00-2.57

368284 1 Dot 0.35 2.00
368285 2 Dot 0.40 2.28
368286 3 Dot 0.45 2.57
368287 4 Dot 0.50 2.86

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Old 01-06-2016, 07:19 AM
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Originally Posted by STLNLST
I feel both 69 and 72 is needed. Most run the B5 which had the same ratio as the XB2 and these are the two most used spurs. I already saw a local racers reaming out AE spurs on Sunday to fit his carpet edition.
Is he still using 3 pad or just 2 pad ? Are AE spur gears thicker than X-Ray ?
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Originally Posted by spu83
Is he still using 3 pad or just 2 pad ? Are AE spur gears thicker than X-Ray ?
the way i did it.. was use 2 AE slippers.. then the 3rd pad is the Xray pad.. not perfect.. but.. it works..
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Originally Posted by BentKa
The XB2 already have all the boxes ticked in the form of very light weight (no need for expensive options to lighten it) and an incredibly smooth running and lightweight drivetrain.

ECS double jointed rear drive shafts will also be available any time now and with the ultra lightweight and smooth gear diff it's a perfect base for a winning stock platform

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Last weekend at our track we had two heats of mod, and seven of stock... Stock is huge.

A lot of guys run the MIP pucks system in stock because it's lighter and even though the gear diff might be better it's too heavy (for their platform). On the XB2 the gear diff is super light and works super smoothly without modification. That's another bonus for stock.

Wouldn't the ECS driveshafts have less bind, causing the rear of the car to be less flat under power?
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Originally Posted by Lonestar
Hi Bent

I'm building my Carpet Ed these days. Malin's performance convinced me this is the right car for me. I just have to paint it pink now

On a more serious note. Is the quote above reflecting the latest and greatest way to ballpark the slipper settings for such late gen cars with masses forward as the Xb2? I won't be using the ball diff, but the trick is, hold rear, throttle, loosen slipper until front doesn't lift?

Other than that, the build quality is stunning... nothing less than I expected from Juraj and the boyz (and girlz ).

My next step is to go to the xray website and pick up a setup for mid-grip carpet...

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Sounds good

And congrats on picking up an XB2......you won't be disappointed

Yes that's the way I prefer to set the slipper.

Setting it this way will allow you to be quite aggressive on throttle when landing and out of turns.

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Originally Posted by dgrobe2112
the way i did it.. was use 2 AE slippers.. then the 3rd pad is the Xray pad.. not perfect.. but.. it works..
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Originally Posted by spu83
someone mentioned that since stock usually locks the slipper down.. prolly dont need the 3rd pad.. i will check tonight.. see if it will work that way
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Originally Posted by spu83
how i did it.
I drilled out ae 72 to fit
got 2 pairs, 4 total AE high torque slipper pads
Glued 2 together , repeat , so i had 2 extra thick slipper pads
eliminate 3rd disk pad,
allows you to tighten down without outer slipper disk bottoming out on shaft.

hope this help everyone,
ill post a pic
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Thank you for bringing these questions directly to us. This is good support, and we appreciate it. Dare I answer for the guys in the North West.

Originally Posted by BentKa
Would you need both a 69 and 72 spur gear to cover the need for correct gearing in these classes ?
I have seen some guys running a 72, but only for the taller geared losi cars. I would venture to say that 95% of the guys running 17.5 run a 69 spur. It is the only spur I have run in the class in the last 4 years in my kyosho and AE cars. I think some would like the 72, just to fine tune motor position.

Originally Posted by BentKa
Are slipper eliminators used in both of these classes or just for the 17.5T ?
There are no super stock 13.5 classes for buggy up here. I would say more than half the 17.5 drivers run eliminators. They are pretty popular, but are not a must have. (I love mine)

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What is the minimum weight allowed ?
Keeping in mind the XB2 is already sub 1500 grams with standard sized servo and standard shorty battery.
1499 minimum weight. Most guys run their cars between 1500 and 1600. I prefer my cars around 1550. I think you guys have nailed the weight of the car. Keep it a tad light, and then we can ballast for balance and not be heavy.
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Originally Posted by slick1
how i did it.
I drilled out ae 72 to fit
got 2 pairs, 4 total AE high torque slipper pads
Glued 2 together , repeat , so i had 2 extra thick slipper pads
eliminate 3rd disk pad,
allows you to tighten down without outer slipper disk bottoming out on shaft.

hope this help everyone,
ill post a pic
That's what I was curious about.. If it would tighten down enough.
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Originally Posted by dgrobe2112
That's what I was curious about.. If it would tighten down enough.
using one pad on each side doesn't work,
the out slipper disk stops on shaft,
even as tight as you can get , still slipped

this fixed it,





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Originally Posted by BentKa
Yes that's the way I prefer to set the slipper.
Great, thanks a lot I'm still stuck in RM mode where you want the front end to lift half-way when throttling hard with the wheels stuck

Great support on the forum, btw - keep it up

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back in the day.. i always adjusted the slipper.. so it slipped before the ball diff slipped.. i would hold left rear wheel.. and put a finger on the spur.. then turn the right rear wheel forward.. make sure the slipper slipped.. and adjust from there.. that shows how long its been for me..
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Originally Posted by spu83
Is he still using 3 pad or just 2 pad ? Are AE spur gears thicker than X-Ray ?
I'm not too sure. I'll find out when I see him again.
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Almost ready for first club race. And noticed that the on power is really noisy. I've got a Orion 13.5 with aluminum 28 pinion. But the stock spur gear that the kit comes with is rather firm plastic and makes a horrible noise. And yes I checked the mesh and my diff case is not too tight or loose. And I'm running the gear diff. Anyone else think that it's really noisy?
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Mine isn't particularly loud. It's slightly louder than non covered gears in 2wd buggy but to notice it you'd have to be pretty picky.
One thing I discovered a couple of years ago is that all pinion are not made equal. I have a compete set of pinions but not from the same manufacturer and some of them are super loud ! They didn't harm the spur but my god the noise makes it very worrying. The loudest I have is one that looks like the titanium ultimate racing ones. I can't confirm you that's the brand as it's not written on them and I bough it 5-6years ago so I can't remembrer, but it's the loudest hands down by a lot !
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