I would get the avid or yaiba

Will a full size pack fit with either one of these shelves?

Where can I purchase the yaiba?

Thanks for the help wildcat!!!

yes you can use a full pack with them, but keep in mind, the esc shelf needs to be raised and your esc might hit your body

I ran the Vision shelf and it is as good as any of them -- just a couple of washers and will fit the full stick underneath as well. Made in Oregon and you can buy it with a very nice battery brace for $21:

http://www.vision-racing.net/product...58&id=23919842

Vision's carbon steering rack is sweet as well -- machined aluminum bushings for simplicity and zero slop and very adjustable ackerman.

All this being said, I think the shelf only makes sense on looser typically outdoor tracks. On high bite you are better off keeping the COG low -- less roll and more stable on high speed sweepers.

Its actually the other way around, on smooth tracks you want it all in line so that it can change direction where as outdoors you want the weight spread across the chassis

I'm running a HW esc. AE says that with their FT shelf, there's about 22mm after putting washers under their shelf. I know this measurement may change depending on the thickness of the shelf, but it should give me a close measurement.

i made my esc shelf from a like fiber imbedded plastic, material its very strong not as strong as cf and slightly more flexible, but its only 1mm thick and i was running it ontop of my battery strap 3mm and i soltered my wires on my tekin on the side and it fits great

I actually like the electronics inline in either condition...but I run the ESC in the tray outdoors so my LCG stays low.

Yea yea ROAR legality is a question...I don't race ROAR so not my concern. For those that race at Bumps where we do use ROAR rules I'm running the shelf on my B4.2 so don't get your pantys in a bunch. I was shocked yesterday that they relegated a 4x4 SCT driver for being over width as I have never been there when they Teched cars before.

A thousand times THIS!!!

Best wing by far. It's not even close. I was sent the Sweep wing to compare and it's not up to par. While it's well made, the wicker angle is too harsh and it literally pulls the front up to the point my 4.2 will wheelie if I hit a tiny pebble and have to let off to keep it from going over. With the Vortex my car has ultimate downforce and is stable as can be. Plus it's made from really thick Lexan so it's more robust and durable than any other wing I've used. The JC HC wing is nice but the Vortex is a bit better.

Ahh...thanks guys. I was wondering what the wing Alex Miller (AE sponsored driver) was running on his B4.2 and B44.2 and it's a Vortex. I'll have to look into getting some. Man I just keep buying and buying for this silly hobby.

I want to order the upgrade wing too but Amain is out of stock on them. Vortex has them on their site though.

Do you use the new 7 inch wing or the 6?

I use the AE shelf and I love it. I run a shorty though. A full size pack will fit, but unless you use a real small receiver, it wont fit in the tray. No problems with body clearance either.

clean!

I think the 6 but have to double check later