Team Associated B4.2 Thread
#4189
Hideeho
On a more serious note...
What would you change from the b4.2 to make a b5?
+7 more on chassis? Been there, done that, all but ready to come back. It's easier to drive when the skill level is not that high, but as my skill level is increasing & I'm about to the point where the shorter chassis & quicker handling would be a bigger help than slower reactions when sliding.
Aluminum chassis? Seems like a good idea on the surface, but the plastic chassis flexing helps the handling. If an aluminum chassis flexes any significant amount it will bend or warp. Just ask the 22 drivers.
Carbon fiber chassis? Again seems like a good idea, but again no flex or it breaks. Then again cf works very well for the b44 series & Schumacher. I would think cf would be a better option than aluminum.
Narrow nose with longer, maybe gullwing front arms? That's a possibility, but if its too much narrower there will be structural issues.
Redesigned front end to allow adjustable kick up, like an 8th buggy? This would be on top of my list if I were working on it.
Easier/more adjustable rear anti-squat/toe? This would be #2 on my list. Again, look at how a 1/8 buggy does it.
Mid engine? Jury is still out on this one, but x-factory seems to be able to get their cars to handle on dirt pretty well. I would be HIGHLY interested to see what AE could do with the design concept. Making it convertible is terribly convenient, but is terribly compromised, unless the conversion is a huge conversion & requires a ton of parts to do.
A true limited slip differential? This would have as big or bigger impact on the rc world as lipos & brushless combined! But, I don't think it's doable for a reasonable price.
What else would everyone like to see on a b5? Keep in mind a b5 would probably start with a clean sheet of paper, so the sky is the limit.
On a more serious note...
What would you change from the b4.2 to make a b5?
+7 more on chassis? Been there, done that, all but ready to come back. It's easier to drive when the skill level is not that high, but as my skill level is increasing & I'm about to the point where the shorter chassis & quicker handling would be a bigger help than slower reactions when sliding.
Aluminum chassis? Seems like a good idea on the surface, but the plastic chassis flexing helps the handling. If an aluminum chassis flexes any significant amount it will bend or warp. Just ask the 22 drivers.
Carbon fiber chassis? Again seems like a good idea, but again no flex or it breaks. Then again cf works very well for the b44 series & Schumacher. I would think cf would be a better option than aluminum.
Narrow nose with longer, maybe gullwing front arms? That's a possibility, but if its too much narrower there will be structural issues.
Redesigned front end to allow adjustable kick up, like an 8th buggy? This would be on top of my list if I were working on it.
Easier/more adjustable rear anti-squat/toe? This would be #2 on my list. Again, look at how a 1/8 buggy does it.
Mid engine? Jury is still out on this one, but x-factory seems to be able to get their cars to handle on dirt pretty well. I would be HIGHLY interested to see what AE could do with the design concept. Making it convertible is terribly convenient, but is terribly compromised, unless the conversion is a huge conversion & requires a ton of parts to do.
A true limited slip differential? This would have as big or bigger impact on the rc world as lipos & brushless combined! But, I don't think it's doable for a reasonable price.
What else would everyone like to see on a b5? Keep in mind a b5 would probably start with a clean sheet of paper, so the sky is the limit.
#4190
Way back in the day, I had a foam core carbon fiber sandwich RC10 chassis that was relatively stiff (but definitely not as stiff as the other carbon fiber chassis at the time), tough, and super light. I think you could model the chassis design with the thickness of the sandwich slices to get optimal stiffness, especially if you increased the thickness of the carbon fiber in specific areas. The other nice advantage of the carbon fiber sandwich is you could add weight down the center of the sandwich stack which would keep your center of gravity super low.
Speaking of back in the day, my brother had an RC10 with externally adjustable rear toe that you adjusted through a slot in the bottom of the chassis as I recall. It wasn't very durable but the concept was great and with todays manufacturing/design technology we should be able to make one that works better. I would agree on the front kick up. Having that adjustment available would be pretty nice.
I would also like to see captive rod ends with high resolution and simple roll center adjustability.
What about some form of droop adjustment? I kind of appreciate the droop screws on my 4x4 sct.
I actually think there is quite a bit more risk for AE to step out and come up with a new design from scratch as opposed to Schuey, TLR or Kyosho. If they come out with a new design and it isn't quite what they hoped it be a huge, glaring black eye. If Kyosho comes out with a Triumph (yikes!!)....no big deal.
Speaking of back in the day, my brother had an RC10 with externally adjustable rear toe that you adjusted through a slot in the bottom of the chassis as I recall. It wasn't very durable but the concept was great and with todays manufacturing/design technology we should be able to make one that works better. I would agree on the front kick up. Having that adjustment available would be pretty nice.
I would also like to see captive rod ends with high resolution and simple roll center adjustability.
What about some form of droop adjustment? I kind of appreciate the droop screws on my 4x4 sct.
I actually think there is quite a bit more risk for AE to step out and come up with a new design from scratch as opposed to Schuey, TLR or Kyosho. If they come out with a new design and it isn't quite what they hoped it be a huge, glaring black eye. If Kyosho comes out with a Triumph (yikes!!)....no big deal.
#4191
Tech Master
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 1,570
From: Kaohsiung City, Taiwan

On a more serious note...
What would you change from the b4.2 to make a b5?
+7 more on chassis? Been there, done that, all but ready to come back. It's easier to drive when the skill level is not that high, but as my skill level is increasing & I'm about to the point where the shorter chassis & quicker handling would be a bigger help than slower reactions when sliding.
Current chassis length is fine, IMHO
Aluminum chassis? Seems like a good idea on the surface, but the plastic chassis flexing helps the handling. If an aluminum chassis flexes any significant amount it will bend or warp. Just ask the 22 drivers.
Carbon fiber chassis? Again seems like a good idea, but again no flex or it breaks. Then again cf works very well for the b44 series & Schumacher. I would think cf would be a better option than aluminum.
I prefer aluminum over carbon fiber sheets.
Narrow nose with longer, maybe gullwing front arms? That's a possibility, but if its too much narrower there will be structural issues.

Redesigned front end to allow adjustable kick up, like an 8th buggy? This would be on top of my list if I were working on it.

Easier/more adjustable rear anti-squat/toe? This would be #2 on my list. Again, look at how a 1/8 buggy does it.

Mid engine? Jury is still out on this one, but x-factory seems to be able to get their cars to handle on dirt pretty well. I would be HIGHLY interested to see what AE could do with the design concept. Making it convertible is terribly convenient, but is terribly compromised, unless the conversion is a huge conversion & requires a ton of parts to do.
I would prefer two purpose built buggies, but I'm ok with a convertible chassis, so long as they do their homework and design it to utilize both layouts to the max.
A true limited slip differential? This would have as big or bigger impact on the rc world as lipos & brushless combined! But, I don't think it's doable for a reasonable price.
Ball diff is fine. I'd like to see ceramic thrust balls included.
What else would everyone like to see on a b5? Keep in mind a b5 would probably start with a clean sheet of paper, so the sky is the limit.
What would you change from the b4.2 to make a b5?
+7 more on chassis? Been there, done that, all but ready to come back. It's easier to drive when the skill level is not that high, but as my skill level is increasing & I'm about to the point where the shorter chassis & quicker handling would be a bigger help than slower reactions when sliding.
Current chassis length is fine, IMHO
Aluminum chassis? Seems like a good idea on the surface, but the plastic chassis flexing helps the handling. If an aluminum chassis flexes any significant amount it will bend or warp. Just ask the 22 drivers.
Carbon fiber chassis? Again seems like a good idea, but again no flex or it breaks. Then again cf works very well for the b44 series & Schumacher. I would think cf would be a better option than aluminum.
I prefer aluminum over carbon fiber sheets.
Narrow nose with longer, maybe gullwing front arms? That's a possibility, but if its too much narrower there will be structural issues.

Redesigned front end to allow adjustable kick up, like an 8th buggy? This would be on top of my list if I were working on it.

Easier/more adjustable rear anti-squat/toe? This would be #2 on my list. Again, look at how a 1/8 buggy does it.

Mid engine? Jury is still out on this one, but x-factory seems to be able to get their cars to handle on dirt pretty well. I would be HIGHLY interested to see what AE could do with the design concept. Making it convertible is terribly convenient, but is terribly compromised, unless the conversion is a huge conversion & requires a ton of parts to do.
I would prefer two purpose built buggies, but I'm ok with a convertible chassis, so long as they do their homework and design it to utilize both layouts to the max.
A true limited slip differential? This would have as big or bigger impact on the rc world as lipos & brushless combined! But, I don't think it's doable for a reasonable price.
Ball diff is fine. I'd like to see ceramic thrust balls included.
What else would everyone like to see on a b5? Keep in mind a b5 would probably start with a clean sheet of paper, so the sky is the limit.
- Narrow Aluminum chassis, with tunnels for the servo/esc wires.
- Adjustable Battery holders (ala RB6) so that you don't have to use foam to hold into a shorty.
- I don't mind a RM/MM convertible chassis, but would rather see two purpose built kits (maybe a US version and a Euro version).
- Metric screws
- Teflon shock bushings
- Ceramic Thrust balls
- Ceramic diff balls (cause WildCherry says their better).

- Wing mount that use screws
- Adjustable kickup
- Vertical ball studs for camber links (I know some will disagree, but I like the finer adjustments you can get with the ballstuds in a vertical position)
- Delrin upper shock bushings
- Rear toe mounts in aluminum with teflon inserts (see SpecR R1 design).
In other words, I'm not asking for a lot.
Last edited by JiuHaWong; 04-14-2013 at 10:20 AM.
#4192
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 8,616
From: New Jersey

Some things I'd like to see:
- Narrow Aluminum chassis, with a tunnels for servo/esc wire.
- Adjustable Battery holders (ala RB6) so that you don't have to use foam to hold into a shorty.
- I don't mind a RM/MM convertible chassis, but would rather see two purpose built kits (maybe a US version and a Euro version).
- Metric screws
- Teflon shock bushings
- Ceramic Thrust balls
- Ceramic diff balls (cause WildCherry says their better).


- Wing mount that use screws
- Adjustable kickup
- Vertical ball studs for camber links (I know some will disagree, but I like the finer adjustments you can get with the ballstuds in a vertical position)
- Delrin upper shock bushings
- Rear toe mounts in aluminum with teflon inserts (see SpecR R1 design).
In other words, I'm not asking for a lot.

Most of all......... Metric hardware!
would like to see alum chassis that has more 'centered' electronics philosophy.
revised suspension parts built around the 12mm shocks (nothing drastic, just make things fit properly with out grinding or rubbing)
redesigned rear hubs, maybe even in plastic, that don't wear as bad as current ones,
no more battery foam (seems petty, but adjustable brace is just a better solution)
I like the idea of adjusting the rear toe with blocks on the back of the hingepins rather the front...just allows for quicker changes.
Arms that support flex tuning plates for high bite surfaces.
#4193
Tech Rookie
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 8
From: LA
Hi just got my RC10 b4.2 built im having a problem with the upper shock mount. The shock cap is very tight when its installed on the shock tower mount. Should i sand it or drill the shock cap. thanks
#4194
I chuck my shock bushings in a drill and sand the anodizing off the ball end with some maroon scotch brite..seems like the tolerances are just a bit off..
Last edited by brian cox; 04-13-2013 at 02:21 PM. Reason: spelling
#4196
#4198
Has anyone tried the CML C4.1 conversion? If all those guys from associated are using them it must be pretty damn good. Is there a certain type of grip/track that suits it more specifically? What's the pro's and con's of a mid motor configuration vs standard?
Also where is the best place to buy it from?
Thanks!
Also where is the best place to buy it from?
Thanks!
#4199
Has anyone tried the CML C4.1 conversion? If all those guys from associated are using them it must be pretty damn good. Is there a certain type of grip/track that suits it more specifically? What's the pro's and con's of a mid motor configuration vs standard?
Also where is the best place to buy it from?
Thanks!
Also where is the best place to buy it from?
Thanks!
Last edited by Matt Trimmings; 04-13-2013 at 06:18 PM.
#4200
I would be fine with that if there really was a new car coming out next year. Do you have reason to believe there will be a new car out? Considering that they just did the upgrade to the worlds car this year I just don't think we will see a new car out that soon. AE does not move that fast. Thoughts?



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