Savox vs. Futaba vs. ASC Servos
#31
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I have one, don't hate it. Just trying to help someone avoid possible headaches. I had to go CC bec after my 1257 smoked the bec in a couple months old rx8... 2 turns into a heat. Broke the tabs off my 8 year old airtronics and wanted to finish the race day so I got what the track had. I asked if I would have issues like I have heard and guy at track shop said it's hit & miss with them. Even with the rx8's bec he has seen them work and also seen them not work. They had a couple other servos that were $100+ but I passed. In hind sight, I spent $80 on savox and another $30 on CC bec, should have just got the better/lower draw servo and not have to deal with the external bec. And I could have finished the day which was the whole reason I bought the servo.
Kind of is the servos fault until esc manufacturers start using a 7a bec or something than can constantly provide more than the 5a they ask for... what do they expect us to run it on?
If you have a 540 motor in a light 2wd buggy, you may get away with it. But combine savox with a power sucking 4 pole in a heavy sct 4x... trouble brewing. I do think it would not be difficult to run a slightly bigger bec, but the manufacturers are mostly giving us 3a and in a few 1/8 esc's 5a. I have seen esc's with higher output, but their $500+
Kind of is the servos fault until esc manufacturers start using a 7a bec or something than can constantly provide more than the 5a they ask for... what do they expect us to run it on?
If you have a 540 motor in a light 2wd buggy, you may get away with it. But combine savox with a power sucking 4 pole in a heavy sct 4x... trouble brewing. I do think it would not be difficult to run a slightly bigger bec, but the manufacturers are mostly giving us 3a and in a few 1/8 esc's 5a. I have seen esc's with higher output, but their $500+
I do have to laugh when I open up most ESC and BEC units because it is obvious to me that they just quoted the number right off the data sheet for the part they used. Sure, the data sheet may say "3A" but it also says "at 25C junction temperature". When the ESC is running 60C(and thus the BEC junction temp is way over that number), guess what, that part isn't good for 3A anymore. Some linear voltage regulators, like the ones found in 2S and 3S ESC's, have thermal protection. Others do not. It reminds me of the brushed ESC days when companies would say that the ESC was good for 800A!! Again, that was just quoting the data sheet value for the FETs if the junction temperature was at 25C. It had nothing to do with reality.
#32
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That's surprising that you only saw 3a. I'm assuming you set your end points way to far or something to get the stall amperage.
I guess even at 3a that is at the max advertised limit for most bec's and maxing out electronics is never good... and as you pointed out their 3a probably is not 3a.
And yeah, mosy bec's are crap unless you are running a servo that is not pulling very much amperage.
I have heard of what happened to your CC external bec before. I'm running it on the savox so hopefully it will burrn it up so I have an excuse to get another servo
I guess even at 3a that is at the max advertised limit for most bec's and maxing out electronics is never good... and as you pointed out their 3a probably is not 3a.
And yeah, mosy bec's are crap unless you are running a servo that is not pulling very much amperage.
I have heard of what happened to your CC external bec before. I'm running it on the savox so hopefully it will burrn it up so I have an excuse to get another servo
#33
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That's surprising that you only saw 3a. I'm assuming you set your end points way to far or something to get the stall amperage.
I guess even at 3a that is at the max advertised limit for most bec's and maxing out electronics is never good... and as you pointed out their 3a probably is not 3a.
I guess even at 3a that is at the max advertised limit for most bec's and maxing out electronics is never good... and as you pointed out their 3a probably is not 3a.
#36
blue: Torque:
@ 4.8V: 111 oz in
@ 6.0V: 138 oz in
@ 7.4V: 165 oz in
Speed:
@ 4.8V: 0.06sec/60°
@ 6.0V: 0.05sec/60°
@ 7.4V: 0.04sec/60°
green: Torque:
@ 6.0V: 249 oz in
@ 7.4V: 305 oz in
Speed:
@ 6.0V: 0.08sec/60°
@ 7.4V: 0.07sec/60°
red: Torque:
@ 6.0V: 333 oz in
@ 7.4V: 419 oz in
Speed:
@ 6.0V: 0.10sec/60°
@ 7.4V: 0.09sec/60°
There's a reason they're rarely in stock...
#37
have ran savox SC-1258TG for past 2 years no issues at all same with associated ds1015s, futaba are generally slower but or very smooth have both a 350 and 351 out of my old mugen nitro buggy none of them have issues.
#38
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Savox all the way.
Run a 1251 in my DEX410 (Hobbywing 120a V2.1. Frsky receiver) and 1258 in my DEX210 (Hobbywing 120a V2.1 Futaba reveiver)
Never any problems withe the Savox servo`s, but I just killed the gears in a Futaba 9402.
I`ve seen top drivers in the USA use Savox so they can`t be so bad you haters want them to be.
When the receivers and the esc`s can`t provide enough amps is it really the servo that is the problem ?
Run a 1251 in my DEX410 (Hobbywing 120a V2.1. Frsky receiver) and 1258 in my DEX210 (Hobbywing 120a V2.1 Futaba reveiver)
Never any problems withe the Savox servo`s, but I just killed the gears in a Futaba 9402.
I`ve seen top drivers in the USA use Savox so they can`t be so bad you haters want them to be.
When the receivers and the esc`s can`t provide enough amps is it really the servo that is the problem ?
I use Savox 1267MG servos in both my 1/8 e-buggy and 4x4 SCT. Both are paired with Tekin RX8 ESCs and haven't had any issues. The 1267MG has a rated stall current of 3000mA @6V and the Tekin RX8 BEC is rated for 5000mA @ 6V.
However, I had the 1257TG paired with a Viper VTX10R ESC in my 2wd SCT and had BEC issues. The 1257TG has a rated stall current of 5000mA @ 6V. The Viper ESC should have been ok as it's BEC is rate 5000mA @7V.
I wouldn't even consider hooking the 1257TG up to my LRP SXX V2 TC because the LRP BEC is rated for 3000mA @ 6V...
#39
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Also, if you haven't heard already, you can send your LRP speedo in for an updated board (which has a stronger BEC) for free right now:
http://www.teamassociated.com/news/a...ck_Upgrade%21/
The original BEC in the LRP speedo is known to be somewhat hit and miss/weak. Updated board is good as long as you are not running 1/12th scale on 1S. On 2S for 1/10th scale, it should be better than the original.
#40
I won't use glitch busters and BEC's on my cars anymore.
If i have a power hungry setup I solder a female Rx plug to my main battery (2s) or Balencer leads (4s) to direct power my servos.
I use Hitec 79XX's so I don't need to. But my 5ive is soldered up for direct power to the servos, with one of the servo leads backfeeding the Rx.
If i have a power hungry setup I solder a female Rx plug to my main battery (2s) or Balencer leads (4s) to direct power my servos.
I use Hitec 79XX's so I don't need to. But my 5ive is soldered up for direct power to the servos, with one of the servo leads backfeeding the Rx.
#41
You should be good! I use the 1015 servo with my LRP SXX V2 speedo. No issues.
Also, if you haven't heard already, you can send your LRP speedo in for an updated board (which has a stronger BEC) for free right now:
http://www.teamassociated.com/news/a...ck_Upgrade%21/
The original BEC in the LRP speedo is known to be somewhat hit and miss/weak. Updated board is good as long as you are not running 1/12th scale on 1S. On 2S for 1/10th scale, it should be better than the original.
Also, if you haven't heard already, you can send your LRP speedo in for an updated board (which has a stronger BEC) for free right now:
http://www.teamassociated.com/news/a...ck_Upgrade%21/
The original BEC in the LRP speedo is known to be somewhat hit and miss/weak. Updated board is good as long as you are not running 1/12th scale on 1S. On 2S for 1/10th scale, it should be better than the original.
If I am not able to get my ESC before the free upgrade ends, what should I do?
Will I need the upgrade since I will be using the 1015 servo?
#42
Heck a novak pro sc can handle that in a 4x4 sc no bec no glitch buster.