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rcboy1 04-20-2014 03:55 PM


Originally Posted by tony montana (Post 13199151)
Would the avid chassis help or hurt my situation. I forgot but I'm also running the stock chassis but with the big weight between the saddles. Maybe the extra weight is causing the rear to swing it around?

A setup youd probably like is the maifield setup from last year here at smac trac for the jc indoor nats race. It is very eay to drive and predictable but still has great speed. If your car is still twitchy after putting on this setup something else is the issue.

fredswain 04-20-2014 04:08 PM

Lots of people are running a rear swaybar. Lots of people are also complaining about the rear end coming around. That's not a coincidence.

rcboy1 04-20-2014 04:28 PM

Id like to see their setups then.

It can most definitely be a coincedence . Just because they could possibley have a high correlation does not mean that they are directly dependent. Simple statistics. It can be possible that for lots of people their car is incorrectly setup for their track and the first thing many people may think to do is take off the sway bar. So yes a sway bar may solve their issue but just like in the thread 'tuning with roll center', they may be a bandaid.

fredswain 04-20-2014 06:33 PM

A sway bar doesn't give traction. It only takes it away from that end. The reason many setup sheets have them is because they are running a huge spring imbalance front to rear with the front wheel rate much higher than the rear. The sway bar is a bandaid for this imbalance. If you are running a rear sway bar and the back end is washing out, remove it. If it works, it doesn't mean the rest of the setup isn't off though.

rcboy1 04-20-2014 08:08 PM

Whites and blacks are in fact balanced, balanced enough. Yellows and greens/blacks are frequency balanced.

Vegaspilot 04-20-2014 09:00 PM

Anyone use the Exotek rear hubs with the vertical ballstuds on the 44.2?

robbie_gtc 04-20-2014 09:32 PM


Originally Posted by aeRayls (Post 13195533)
Its not about them being forward or behind. One is shorter/longer than the other. It's just where AE put them.

The fact one is a few mm in front of the other doesnt effect anything?i get one is more inboard then the other. But one is also more forward then the other creating different angles as well. I havent come across any explanation of if thise dynamics have any negative or positive effect either.

fredswain 04-20-2014 09:41 PM


Originally Posted by rcboy1 (Post 13200800)
Whites and blacks are in fact balanced, balanced enough. Yellows and greens/blacks are frequency balanced.

I'm not talking about a springs being balanced in relation to another spring. I'm talking about wheel rates being balanced in relation to front and rear. They aren't the same thing.

aeRayls 04-20-2014 11:03 PM


Originally Posted by robbie_gtc (Post 13200989)
The fact one is a few mm in front of the other doesnt effect anything?i get one is more inboard then the other. But one is also more forward then the other creating different angles as well. I havent come across any explanation of if thise dynamics have any negative or positive effect either.

No.

Being that one is further forward than the other, which means it that the turnbuckle also has to be very slightly longer to get there as well. Even if they were inline but still forward or back means nothing. Other than it will have to be be very slightly longer or shorter to get there.

It's more about being apart for structurally integrity.

swade46mo 04-21-2014 06:35 AM

B44.2 front end problem
 
Good morning to all,
I am a new B44.2 owner, and having a bit of a problem determining what is causing my right front wheel to "hop" up and down when under power while on the stand. The left side does not do this, it maintains the full extension of the shock as expected. Neither of the rear wheels demonstrate this problem, which leads me to believe there is something not right on the right front set up. Any ideas you can provide would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

robbie_gtc 04-21-2014 07:40 AM


Originally Posted by swade46mo (Post 13201595)
Good morning to all,
I am a new B44.2 owner, and having a bit of a problem determining what is causing my right front wheel to "hop" up and down when under power while on the stand. The left side does not do this, it maintains the full extension of the shock as expected. Neither of the rear wheels demonstrate this problem, which leads me to believe there is something not right on the right front set up. Any ideas you can provide would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

I had that happen when the lower clip deteriorated underneath the shock piston. Shock acted as if it had no fluid in it because the piston wasnt moving. Its definitely a shock issue. Take it apart and examine. Rebuild it and bleed air out. Should be good to go after that

robbie_gtc 04-21-2014 07:41 AM


Originally Posted by aeRayls (Post 13201116)
No.

Being that one is further forward than the other, which means it that the turnbuckle also has to be very slightly longer to get there as well. Even if they were inline but still forward or back means nothing. Other than it will have to be be very slightly longer or shorter to get there.

It's more about being apart for structurally integrity.

Ok thanks, was curious as I hadn't read about it anywhere.

rcboy1 04-21-2014 08:21 AM


Originally Posted by fredswain (Post 13201004)
I'm not talking about a springs being balanced in relation to another spring. I'm talking about wheel rates being balanced in relation to front and rear. They aren't the same thing.

What im saying is those springs are indeed balanced if you test them with your method.

Really doesnt matter, id rather be helping people try to figure out their car. Sorry to start this with you fred :D

swade46mo 04-21-2014 08:29 AM


Originally Posted by robbie_gtc (Post 13201753)
I had that happen when the lower clip deteriorated underneath the shock piston. Shock acted as if it had no fluid in it because the piston wasnt moving. Its definitely a shock issue. Take it apart and examine. Rebuild it and bleed air out. Should be good to go after that

Great, I will take the shock apart tonight and let you know if it fixes it!

ridgeracer 04-21-2014 08:33 AM


Originally Posted by swade46mo (Post 13201595)
Good morning to all,
I am a new B44.2 owner, and having a bit of a problem determining what is causing my right front wheel to "hop" up and down when under power while on the stand. The left side does not do this, it maintains the full extension of the shock as expected. Neither of the rear wheels demonstrate this problem, which leads me to believe there is something not right on the right front set up. Any ideas you can provide would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

I think your right front axle is binding..


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