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Badger5 06-18-2012 06:38 AM


Originally Posted by weavty1 (Post 10870733)
So, here's an update with my nose-diving (downsiding in the air, hitting a jump) and the non-ballooning tires, issue....

Coming to find out, I'm under-geared.... I realized this, when I was searching this thread for the gear ratio of the 811-Be, and saw some dude's post, saying it was 3.38, the same as the Mugen Eco... So I thought a 16t pinion, on my T8 1900 setup, would be perfect... Well, it's just that I run on a little bit larger tracks (proper 1/8 outdoor tracks), and when hitting a jump at almost full throttle, it wouldn't want to bring the nose up in the air.... That's because I was already near or AT the top of the powerband of the motor, so there wasn't anything left up top, to bring the nose up. LOL... which is another reason, why the tires don't balloon when I hold the car in the air. It tops out at maybe 35-40mph, and probably reaches it's top, in under 10ft :lol:

Oh, and my motor hasn't even been over 130°F, after 10-15min runs at the track... so that also lends to my theory that it's undergeared.. lol.

I only have a 15, 16, and 17 tooth pinions, at the moment.. so, until I grab a couple more (maybe 18, 19, and 20), I'll switch to the 17t, just for a little bit more top end.. I tell ya what though, with the 16t that I have in there right now, this thing has monsterous power/torque everywhere on the track..... Just not enough top end, for any of the jumps that have a long(er) run up to them, though.. lol, so I'm trying to figure that out at the moment... not sure whether to haul-ass up to them, tap the brakes about 2ft before the jump starts, and blip the throttle, the second the tires reach the lip of the jump and start their 'airtime'.. Right now, I'm just cruising up to the jump at about 1/2 throttle, and goose-ing it at the lip, and that seems to work just fine... but, it seems that I'm losing about a 1/2 to a full second, on the slow approach..

Any other ideas, fellas? :)


Oh, and btw, I haven't pulled apart the shocks or diffs yet.. I'll be doing that this evening :D

I doubt it's the gearing, I run a Tekin combo in mine with a 1900 kV motor on 4S and it's more than quick enough. I am also using the stock 16 tooth pinion. I would go as far to say that it looks like this car was designed to have the Tekin RX8 and 1900kv motor, the speedo fits real nice and the gearing is spot on for me with the 1900kv motor. You could start with trying one of the set ups on the Tekin website for a RX8/1900kv combo, even one for the Durango would be a good starting point. This would just to be sure that it's not the esc set up. What is the current limiter set to? A good starting point is 80% just to calm it down a bit and help with run times.

Have you tried the other advice yet, people have given some sound advice on your issues and I think you should make sure that all is well with your car first. Are the gearboxes shimmed correctly, are they too tight and not allowing the motor to rev out? Can you turn them over freely by hand? Also is the suspension free, remove the shocks and make sure that all suspension arms can fall the full travel under their own weight. Also check the shocks, are they binding. I had issues with the stock pistons being to big for the shock body and needed to be sanded down.

I would only be looking at gearing after you know all is well with the car, then maybe go to a 17 tooth pinion.

jasjeet 06-18-2012 08:15 AM

There were 2 shims in between the bearing and pinion, i removed one, seems a bit better.

Badger5 06-18-2012 09:49 AM


Originally Posted by jasjeet (Post 10873902)
There were 2 shims in between the bearing and pinion, i removed one, seems a bit better.

Can you turn it over easily by hand? By this I mean you can turn the centre shaft between your thumb and finger? If not then also check the amount of shims either side of the diff.

jasjeet 06-18-2012 09:50 AM


Originally Posted by Badger5 (Post 10874304)
Can you turn it over easily by hand? By this I mean you can turn the centre shaft between your thumb and finger? If not then also check the amount of shims either side of the diff.

I can turn it by hand, but by no means is it "free".

If i put the diff in the front part of the housing (not the pinion side) it spins pretty free when i give it a whirl.

KIK 06-18-2012 06:53 PM


Originally Posted by jasjeet (Post 10873070)
I opened up the front diff housing as i thought it was quite tight, re greased the 2 gears and screwed it back to together. Now its even tighter and is really hard to turn by hand, normal???

Also inside i saw that 1 of the 3 Phillips screws were missing, the side which the gear lays on, again is that normal?

Ive run the car for 2 battery packs now, it was in new condition when i bought it off a member.

Most only use the 2 phillips screw because the third will rub on the ring gear.

JC Gascot 06-19-2012 01:10 AM

I like to know what pinion can I use with tekin 1700 motor and esc
 
I try the 16 tooth included with the kit but it gets hot 190 and then I try a 18t and it's still getting hot? Any suggestions? Im not sure if I am going in the right direction!

netmaster 06-19-2012 06:16 AM


Originally Posted by JC Gascot (Post 10877404)
I try the 16 tooth included with the kit but it gets hot 190 and then I try a 18t and it's still getting hot? Any suggestions? Im not sure if I am going in the right direction!

Pinions to start with, on average is:
2050 = 15t
1900 = 16t
1700 = 17t

Also, make sure you cut out the body in the front and open up the rear to get some air flow through the chassis, this will help with the temps.

JC Gascot 06-19-2012 07:09 AM


Originally Posted by netmaster (Post 10877946)
Pinions to start with, on average is:
2050 = 15t
1900 = 16t
1700 = 17t

Also, make sure you cut out the body in the front and open up the rear to get some air flow through the chassis, this will help with the temps.

Thanks Gary

jasjeet 06-19-2012 08:39 AM

I run 15t with my 2250Kv XErun system, motor or ESC barely gets warm.
17t makes things a little hotter, i think 16t will be the best.

Stealth_RT 06-19-2012 11:38 AM


Originally Posted by netmaster (Post 10877946)
Pinions to start with, on average is:
2050 = 15t
1900 = 16t
1700 = 17t

Also, make sure you cut out the body in the front and open up the rear to get some air flow through the chassis, this will help with the temps.

I'll add that when running a 1400 on 6S, 16T is a good place to start. I've run a 17T on a track with a really long straight. 15T on a really small track. Indoors on a small clay track, during the winter, I run the 1400 on 5S with a 16T.

tony montana 06-20-2012 05:45 AM

Just to let you guys know, pork chop passed away early this morning. Gonna miss you my friend

weavty1 06-20-2012 05:57 AM


Originally Posted by tony montana (Post 10882126)
Just to let you guys know, pork chop passed away early this morning. Gonna miss you my friend

That's just unbelievably sad news, TM.. Thank you for letting us know of his passing. He had just posted last week, didn't he??! Gosh, that's just tragic news. May God bless him into the heavenly gates above, and bless his family, during their time of grieving.

We'll miss you buddy, you were a friend to us all.


Very best,

Tylor

Stealth_RT 06-20-2012 07:33 AM


Originally Posted by weavty1 (Post 10882163)
That's just unbelievably sad news, TM.. Thank you for letting us know of his passing. He had just posted last week, didn't he??! Gosh, that's just tragic news. May God bless him into the heavenly gates above, and bless his family, during their time of grieving.

We'll miss you buddy, you were a friend to us all.


Very best,

Tylor

+1. You'll be missed, big guy.

nogarats 06-20-2012 06:28 PM

Let just open our hearts for a moment and let flow the energy of love and friendship that he left us. Thanks "pork chop for everything"...

f41stryker 06-20-2012 08:13 PM

Hi I was wondering if anyone could tell me a good place to buy upgrade parts for the 811e buggy? I'm waiting on my kit to come Friday and I want to upgrade a few parts as I build. Thanks, I'm so excited to get this car!


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