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Cain 05-13-2013 08:37 AM


Originally Posted by MantisWorx (Post 12142047)
With all 10 pins in the center dif it will out perform the VTS, what some dont realize is that the C dif works centrifugally , as the spur gear winds up the pins get tighter so at full throttle and all pins it is completely locked up! when you first exit a turn it will differentiate between the front and rear and as you gain speed it locks up. Quite simply the best of both worlds. A slipper waste power if it is slipping, a differential sends the power to either the front or rear wheels, giving 100% power to the ground at all times. Now if you are just set on running a VTS setup fine but the reason you have to re sand and replace the stock AE pads is BECAUSE THEY ARE ALWAYS SLIPPING EVEN WHEN YOU THINK THEY ARE NOT!! the Garodisc cure that issue because they will not glaze and you never have to replace or reset them. On top of that you can run them looser than the stock pads without burning them up.

Keep in mind guys that it is a center dif just like every SC truck on the market has except the SC10, it will work on high bite surfaces you just have to change the pins. You dont see the tekno and losi guys locking out their center dif on high bite tracks, they simply increase dif fluids which is the same as adding pins.

You know, I wish I had tried the 10 pin setup now, was doing 8 pins and loved it on carpet.


Originally Posted by Cody227 (Post 12146190)
A light truck is only faster if the cog is low enough AND you can drive a car that's not so forgiving.

+1, a light truck by its nature of being lighter will feel faster, more nimble, etc. But will not be forgiving, especially when you tangle with any of the heavies. Based on what Shark experience when I asked him about it, it was pretty much the same conclusion.

Also, where it is lighter will make a difference as well, especially in short course.

Jordan Anderson 05-13-2013 08:49 AM


Originally Posted by Wild Cherry (Post 12146804)
Were running the ride height at 19 to 20 mm.

Wow, that's low! :nod:

Jordan Anderson 05-13-2013 08:58 AM


Originally Posted by 4tec44 (Post 12144561)
I have a question to all you sc10 4x4 owners.I just purchased my factory team kit about two weeks ago,i have already assembaled it but im just waiting for my tires so i can hit the track.After it was put together i tried to spin the wheels with my fingers and notice it was pretty tight,but turn able with some force.I would like to know if its normal and will it losen after i run it?or may be i have something tightened down to much.
Thanks-John

I'd suggest you take the belt off and make sure both the front and rear transmissions are nice and free. When I first built my SC10 4x4, I had a problem with the rear transmission case and had to replace it with a new case to remove the binding... Without a pinion/motor, the truck should roll a fair distance on a smooth surface if pushed. :tire:

Wild Cherry 05-13-2013 09:07 AM


Originally Posted by Jordan Anderson (Post 12146900)
Wow, that's low! :nod:

19 mm ride height brings a huge advantage on the other's.

won't work unless you have done the light & lower CG though.

Wait for tonight, will be posting the images ..

Truck looks bad azz with the all the mods we have done.

Jordan Anderson 05-13-2013 09:13 AM

:nod:

Originally Posted by MantisWorx (Post 12142047)
You dont see the tekno and losi guys locking out their center dif on high bite tracks, they simply increase dif fluids which is the same as adding pins.

Under power, adding pins should be similiar to increasing diff fluid weight in a fluid filled diff.

However, since the "lock-up" action in the RC Shox diff with pins should be proportional to the torque on the spur gear, it's a little different then a simple fluid filled diff.

Also, under braking shouldn't the RC Shox diff always be very free??? :confused:

Last season I was running my RC Shox diff without any pins and really liked the effect on the truck on our 1/8 low traction/rough outdoor track. :nod:

AJay0722 05-13-2013 06:45 PM


Originally Posted by Wild Cherry (Post 12146949)
19 mm ride height brings a huge advantage on the other's.

won't work unless you have done the light & lower CG though.

Wait for tonight, will be posting the images ..

Truck looks bad azz with the all the mods we have done.

I would like to see some pics

MantisWorx 05-13-2013 07:22 PM


Originally Posted by Jordan Anderson (Post 12146972)
:nod:

Under power, adding pins should be similiar to increasing diff fluid weight in a fluid filled diff.

However, since the "lock-up" action in the RC Shox diff with pins should be proportional to the torque on the spur gear, it's a little different then a simple fluid filled diff.

Yes but not anything like a slipper

Also, under braking shouldn't the RC Shox diff always be very free??? :confused:

Yes like i explained , under braking you have bias where as with a slipper you do not

Last season I was running my RC Shox diff without any pins and really liked the effect on the truck on our 1/8 low traction/rough outdoor track. :nod:

On a loose track no pins is great but as the grip comes up you need at least 4 pins IMO.

Wild Cherry 05-13-2013 08:40 PM


Originally Posted by AJay0722 (Post 12148935)
I would like to see some pics

still @ the track

All done..

OMW home

Mass pictures coming up...

featuring

Lowered Servo
Lighten ,no tunnels ,covers or plastic back plates
Quad Pad VTS ( unbeatable)
Shorty Pack
Lowered chassis brace

MantisWorx 05-13-2013 08:44 PM


Originally Posted by Wild Cherry (Post 12149404)
still @ the track

All done..

OMW home

Mass pictures coming up...

featuring

Lowered Servo
Lighten ,no tunnels ,covers or plastic back plates
Quad Pad VTS ( unbeatable until the hex pad is released)
Shorty Pack
Lowered chassis brace

fixed that for ya:lol:

Cain 05-14-2013 08:19 AM


Originally Posted by MantisWorx (Post 12149417)
fixed that for ya:lol:

:lol:

Heck, outside of some requirement by ROAR or some other organization, I am still waiting for the "unbeatable" slipper setups to be used in 1/8 scale buggy. I mean, if its so good in comparison to a diff setup, why not right? ;)

Hey, curious on this, has anyone tried the vehicle with even stiffer swaybars than what AE offers?

rcmark17 05-15-2013 12:14 PM


Originally Posted by Wild Cherry (Post 12149404)
still @ the track

All done..

OMW home

Mass pictures coming up...

featuring

Lowered Servo
Lighten ,no tunnels ,covers or plastic back plates
Quad Pad VTS ( unbeatable)
Shorty Pack
Lowered chassis brace





Whens the pics coming. Waiting to update my 4x4. Find your info to be some of the best out there.:tire:

Wild Cherry 05-15-2013 12:17 PM


Originally Posted by rcmark17 (Post 12155532)
Whens the pics coming. Waiting to update my 4x4. Find your info to be some of the best out there.:tire:

Tried last night but something happened to my account and I cannot post any images .

Maybe later when the mod checks it out ...

Jstall7543 05-15-2013 12:23 PM


Originally Posted by Wild Cherry (Post 12155541)
Tried last night but something happened to my account and I cannot post any images .

Maybe later when the mod checks it out ...

Perfect example of why I upload to photo bucket and paste the image code into my post. Works great! The file size limitations blow on this forum. IMO.

4tec44 05-15-2013 11:48 PM

I've been wondering what you all think about the sc104x4 and how much loneger it will be relavent in the racing sene.Also when do you think associated will release a update or the 2.0 of this kit?It has been year and a half since the FT came out(i think).
Thanks John

Cain 05-16-2013 07:43 AM


Originally Posted by 4tec44 (Post 12157699)
I've been wondering what you all think about the sc104x4 and how much loneger it will be relavent in the racing sene.Also when do you think associated will release a update or the 2.0 of this kit?It has been year and a half since the FT came out(i think).
Thanks John

I believe it is still very relevant and a very capable vehicle. In my opinion and others, it mainly needs work to handle large 1/8 blown out big jump tracks so you are not having to scrub time by singling jumps that the other trucks can triple with ease. As some have reported here, having to use this alternate jumping method can cost you significant time.

As for any further updates, I am hopeful that AE will revisit the platform and make improvements similar to the RC10B4. There are a few I know I would like to see.

All of this though will really be dependent on where AE sees the class going and what level they feel they should be invested in the class.


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