Electric 1/8th Buggy....why so heavy?
08-18-2009, 10:57 AM
#18
We've got a guy running the 808 with a Monster mount, Losi tray 4s 4000's & MMM2650 combo at our club track. I beleive it was 7Lbs/7oz with no weight reduction work.
My MBX6's weight 7 Lbs/4 oz too 7lbs/8 oz depending on tires, cell count & esc selection. With weight reduction work.
My MBX6's weight 7 Lbs/4 oz too 7lbs/8 oz depending on tires, cell count & esc selection. With weight reduction work.
Last edited by RBMike; 08-19-2009 at 04:43 PM.
08-18-2009, 01:22 PM
#19
The H9E is another awesome offering super compact and innovative I am sure its awesome. I have not yet seen the Nitro version let alone the E in person or race so I have no feedback on it. The tiny diffs that it has is appealing enough I am sure that that car comes out of the hole like a bat out of hell.
Very happy with the car, just wish it had mudguards.
08-18-2009, 02:09 PM
#21
I haven't weighed either of my D8-E's. My practice buggy only has a couple light weight parts compared to my race buggy with the whole option catalog thrown at it!
Would be interesting to see what the "Tanks" come in at? I will say that I kind of like being on the heavy side, the car stays planted in the rough stuff and yet I still have enough power anytime I need it!
Would be interesting to see what the "Tanks" come in at? I will say that I kind of like being on the heavy side, the car stays planted in the rough stuff and yet I still have enough power anytime I need it!
08-18-2009, 02:54 PM
#22
Havent weighed my Fusion PRO, but with 2 X 3S 2500mah parallel, it handles super light. With a tekin 1900 system it goes like the clappers and I get 15minutes of fun. Only two lights on speedy and the motor isnt even as warm as my blood.
08-18-2009, 03:39 PM
#23
getting a RELIABLE AND RACEWORTHY buggy under 7lbs with a reasonable battery, about 400 gms. min. will take fancy expensive materials.
so does everyone want to go down the marginal battery and drop another 200.00 + in bling path?
or would you rather see roar raise the min weight to around 7.5 lbs so the manufacturers dont have a reason to pimp out their buggys in an attempt to get them light?
also this will take away the pressure of guys wanting to run smaller less capacity packs that will wear out faster and possibly melt down
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i for one dont want the class to become more of a money pit than it already is. what do you think?
so does everyone want to go down the marginal battery and drop another 200.00 + in bling path?
or would you rather see roar raise the min weight to around 7.5 lbs so the manufacturers dont have a reason to pimp out their buggys in an attempt to get them light?
also this will take away the pressure of guys wanting to run smaller less capacity packs that will wear out faster and possibly melt down
. i for one dont want the class to become more of a money pit than it already is. what do you think?
08-18-2009, 03:45 PM
#24
I believe JHautz has a picture of his 808 ready to race with battery in it on a scale weighing in at 7lbs 4oz or something like that. There is a pick on the board somewhere if you search hard enough.
I think the min should be whatever the nitro class is... However, really don't think we need a min though. If someone wants to spend all their money making their car super light but is breaks the first time they get hacked in a corner or come up short on a big double, that is their business.
None of that stuff wins races anyway.
I think the min should be whatever the nitro class is... However, really don't think we need a min though. If someone wants to spend all their money making their car super light but is breaks the first time they get hacked in a corner or come up short on a big double, that is their business.
None of that stuff wins races anyway.
08-18-2009, 03:55 PM
#25
I believe JHautz has a picture of his 808 ready to race with battery in it on a scale weighing in at 7lbs 4oz or something like that. There is a pick on the board somewhere if you search hard enough.
I think the min should be whatever the nitro class is... However, really don't think we need a min though. If someone wants to spend all their money making their car super light but is breaks the first time they get hacked in a corner or come up short on a big double, that is their business.
None of that stuff wins races anyway.
I think the min should be whatever the nitro class is... However, really don't think we need a min though. If someone wants to spend all their money making their car super light but is breaks the first time they get hacked in a corner or come up short on a big double, that is their business.
None of that stuff wins races anyway.
08-18-2009, 05:08 PM
#26
here is the problem with having the current min at 7.09 lbs like nitro.
manufacturers will start making cars that are either FRAGILE, light and reasonably priced. or they will make durable, light but EXPENSIVE cars.
plus guys will start to push the limits with smaller packs.
face it guys, if you give someone a rope they will hang themselves with it.
i have weighed MANY brands of 1/8 buggys. all of them weigh about 1/2 lb+ less in their nitro form. that is why we shouldn't use the nitro min weight.
manufacturers will start making cars that are either FRAGILE, light and reasonably priced. or they will make durable, light but EXPENSIVE cars.
plus guys will start to push the limits with smaller packs.
face it guys, if you give someone a rope they will hang themselves with it.
i have weighed MANY brands of 1/8 buggys. all of them weigh about 1/2 lb+ less in their nitro form. that is why we shouldn't use the nitro min weight.
08-18-2009, 05:26 PM
#27
I just don't think the weight matters, so why make a big deal out of it with minimums? If the car is too light, durability and handling will be sacrificed. The same goes with too heavy.
To me part of the challenge with 1/8 is knowing how to build your car so it is reliable and can make the run time needed without using a cement block battery. It is all "strategery"
If a guy wants to run a 4000kv motor and dump in 10 minutes for a 15 minute main, that is their perogative. If someone wants to run a 3 lb buggy made out super expensive plastic that breaks on the first cartwheel, so what? The racers will figure out what works and what doesn't. Setting rules around minutae won't do anything except just add unnecessary pages to the handbook...
To me part of the challenge with 1/8 is knowing how to build your car so it is reliable and can make the run time needed without using a cement block battery. It is all "strategery"
If a guy wants to run a 4000kv motor and dump in 10 minutes for a 15 minute main, that is their perogative. If someone wants to run a 3 lb buggy made out super expensive plastic that breaks on the first cartwheel, so what? The racers will figure out what works and what doesn't. Setting rules around minutae won't do anything except just add unnecessary pages to the handbook...
08-18-2009, 06:22 PM
#28
Really interesting thread here....
I think on the big burly tracks, most have said it here, you kinda want the weight and beefiness to simply handle the track.
BUT...I race at SRS in AZ where it really is a 10th scale track, but 8th scalers show up huge and can sometimes/ a lot of times are the biggest showing. This is where I think a lightweight 8th would shine. The HB Ve8 for example would simply rule I think (from what I've seen). The Ve8 is even a lower profile car that almost looks like a 1/10 scale D4 or B44's big brother. I could only imagine running that thing on 3S or who knows...2S!!! This would be the ultimate lightweight 8th racer!!
I think this is where you will see lightwieght 8th scale take thier place in the RC world.....The smaller / smoother 10th scale tracks where 8ths are still showing up.
Big burly tracks = aluminum chassis, huge difs, and 6S/4S batteries.
Smaller 1/10 tracks = composite chassis, smaller difs (slipper maybe), 3S battery, possibly 2S (you never know).
I think on the big burly tracks, most have said it here, you kinda want the weight and beefiness to simply handle the track.
BUT...I race at SRS in AZ where it really is a 10th scale track, but 8th scalers show up huge and can sometimes/ a lot of times are the biggest showing. This is where I think a lightweight 8th would shine. The HB Ve8 for example would simply rule I think (from what I've seen). The Ve8 is even a lower profile car that almost looks like a 1/10 scale D4 or B44's big brother. I could only imagine running that thing on 3S or who knows...2S!!! This would be the ultimate lightweight 8th racer!!
I think this is where you will see lightwieght 8th scale take thier place in the RC world.....The smaller / smoother 10th scale tracks where 8ths are still showing up.
Big burly tracks = aluminum chassis, huge difs, and 6S/4S batteries.
Smaller 1/10 tracks = composite chassis, smaller difs (slipper maybe), 3S battery, possibly 2S (you never know).
Last edited by markhat250; 08-18-2009 at 06:39 PM.
08-18-2009, 06:45 PM
#29
you are dreaming if you think you can make a 4 lb 1/8 size 4wd buggy using 1/8 tires. that is assuming you plan on weighing it track ready with battery body ect. even with the most expensive fancy materials it would be difficult and very expensive to make a reliable sub 7 lb buggy with a reasonable size battery.
That should be fun watching your 5lb buggy break into multiple pieces after the hits it will take on the track. Why the need to make it lighter when these rigs are capable of doing 50mph as is?
I agree that I don't see a need to go lighter for a 1/8 buggy. Relative to trucks I normally drive (truggy and MT), 1/8 buggies are already very light and agile. And the currently available brushless systems and LiPos are more than powerful enough to move the current 1/8 buggies with ease.
08-18-2009, 08:19 PM
#30
i understand and completly agree that a light buggy wont stay planted in many track conditions and will be a bad thing.
what you guys are not thinking about are what the manufacturers are going to start producing in an attempt to make what people think they need.
guys will shell out big bucks for the next greatest wiz bang buggy and it wont be fast so they get dissapointed and leave the class.
or guys will look at the price and shy away. or the buggys will be fragile and turn people off for that reason.
and as far as needing a light 1/8 to be fast on a small 1/10 style track that is not the case at all. we have been racing them at a small 8 ft lane low traction track for over 3 years now. many of the fast guys run 1/8 buggy as well as 1/10 4wd and they basicly run the same lap times with both. all of the 1/8 buggys at this track are 4s 8+ pound cars.
what you guys are not thinking about are what the manufacturers are going to start producing in an attempt to make what people think they need.
guys will shell out big bucks for the next greatest wiz bang buggy and it wont be fast so they get dissapointed and leave the class.
or guys will look at the price and shy away. or the buggys will be fragile and turn people off for that reason.
and as far as needing a light 1/8 to be fast on a small 1/10 style track that is not the case at all. we have been racing them at a small 8 ft lane low traction track for over 3 years now. many of the fast guys run 1/8 buggy as well as 1/10 4wd and they basicly run the same lap times with both. all of the 1/8 buggys at this track are 4s 8+ pound cars.