5280 Raceway - Colorado On Road RC Club (CORRC)
08-24-2008, 05:08 AM
#2087
Tech Master
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08-24-2008, 07:42 AM
#2088
cdee
you have PM
you have PM
08-25-2008, 05:44 AM
#2089
Tech Master
ArtWork-you have a PM
08-25-2008, 08:54 AM
#2090
Tech Elite
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: 5280 Raceway. Denver's finest RC facility
Posts: 4,780
just received a payment for two months pre pay from adam brown. thanks adam.
08-25-2008, 12:33 PM
#2091
I finally got a part number and brand for the pipe that the club in Montana uses for its barrieres.
The product is PVC vinyl downspout 2 1/2" square in 10' lengths. Comes white or brown. Brand is Genova, part number RW200. Turns out my family's lumber yard in Loveland sells it. Cost is in the $ 0.95/lf plus a little for fregiht, so call it $1.00/ft. (goes for $1.40 on Amazon)
We need to make spacers to join the pipe and "T's" and angle joints. They used wafer ripped to width, with a slight radius on the outside corners and wood spacers between. They also used velcro to hold it down to the carpet, doubling up the pipe in hard hit areas, as in the end of the straights ect... Also use plastic flaps and or dots at the ends for 180's.
We can have the material in with in a week, as they only stock 2-6pcs.
Based on what I saw at Home Depot, this is 25-40% more than round pipe depending on what size pipe you purchase.
The product is PVC vinyl downspout 2 1/2" square in 10' lengths. Comes white or brown. Brand is Genova, part number RW200. Turns out my family's lumber yard in Loveland sells it. Cost is in the $ 0.95/lf plus a little for fregiht, so call it $1.00/ft. (goes for $1.40 on Amazon)
We need to make spacers to join the pipe and "T's" and angle joints. They used wafer ripped to width, with a slight radius on the outside corners and wood spacers between. They also used velcro to hold it down to the carpet, doubling up the pipe in hard hit areas, as in the end of the straights ect... Also use plastic flaps and or dots at the ends for 180's.
We can have the material in with in a week, as they only stock 2-6pcs.
Based on what I saw at Home Depot, this is 25-40% more than round pipe depending on what size pipe you purchase.
08-25-2008, 04:03 PM
#2092
Tech Master
with all that has been said, let me just add the following.
in my opinion, art has done a fantastic job trying to keep everyone informed, bet by e mail, or posting here on the forum. the simple fact of the matter is that when ever we send something out asking for a response, we get only 3 or 4 back. the goal of the club is to provide a place for racing in the denver area. if anyone feels that the club is not working towards that goal please say something now. the problem with having true votes on every single issue is the fact that only a few guys are willing to show up to meeting and such. we have done everything we can to make it work for all people involved. the fact of the matter is that we need money to race. the people who have already sent in thier money are trying to make it happen. i understand that not everyone can afford to fork out $150 a month to race, anf that is fine, we are also offering a per race fee. but until we know how many people are going to show up and race, we have no way of knowing if we will be able to cover the next month's rent.
what we need to do as a club is put aside all the personal feeling of being "left out". the guys that are puting in the time to make all this come together have done a fine job. some people want to make things happen, some people just want to show up and race, and that is fine as well. either way we are making it all happen.
the question i pose to everyone who is feeling "left out" what would you do differently? what do you wnat to see done? if you have and idea or an opinion please post it here, pm it to an officer or board member, or call one of those people.
we are at a cross roads right now, and the success of the club is directly linked to making this carpet season work. without support, both financial and manual, from the membership, we will fail.
that being said, we are still well short of the 2500 we need to have by the 15th of september. those people that have graciously paid for 2 months up front are going to be the ones footing the bill for the rest. if we only get 10 people to put $300 for 2 months, that is $3000, which only covers one month of racing......then what. then we have a group of guys that want to race for another month that they have already paid for, but cant because there is no money left for rent.
as far as i am concearned, the club has done everythig it can to make racing happen. if you feel that it has not, or feel slighted by decisions that have to be made on the fly in order make it happen, then i am sorry. like gary said, the people who the club voted to be officers are the ones who make some of those "on the fly" decisions on behalf of the entire club. that is the way it has to be at this time. when the club has a more secure posistion, both financially and having a venue to race at, we will all be able to make the thing we all want a reality. and right now that reality is having a permenant place to run on carpet this winter.
please do your best to keep personal feeling in check as we work toward the goal of having a place to race this winter, and both indoor and out door seasons in the future.
in my opinion, art has done a fantastic job trying to keep everyone informed, bet by e mail, or posting here on the forum. the simple fact of the matter is that when ever we send something out asking for a response, we get only 3 or 4 back. the goal of the club is to provide a place for racing in the denver area. if anyone feels that the club is not working towards that goal please say something now. the problem with having true votes on every single issue is the fact that only a few guys are willing to show up to meeting and such. we have done everything we can to make it work for all people involved. the fact of the matter is that we need money to race. the people who have already sent in thier money are trying to make it happen. i understand that not everyone can afford to fork out $150 a month to race, anf that is fine, we are also offering a per race fee. but until we know how many people are going to show up and race, we have no way of knowing if we will be able to cover the next month's rent.
what we need to do as a club is put aside all the personal feeling of being "left out". the guys that are puting in the time to make all this come together have done a fine job. some people want to make things happen, some people just want to show up and race, and that is fine as well. either way we are making it all happen.
the question i pose to everyone who is feeling "left out" what would you do differently? what do you wnat to see done? if you have and idea or an opinion please post it here, pm it to an officer or board member, or call one of those people.
we are at a cross roads right now, and the success of the club is directly linked to making this carpet season work. without support, both financial and manual, from the membership, we will fail.
that being said, we are still well short of the 2500 we need to have by the 15th of september. those people that have graciously paid for 2 months up front are going to be the ones footing the bill for the rest. if we only get 10 people to put $300 for 2 months, that is $3000, which only covers one month of racing......then what. then we have a group of guys that want to race for another month that they have already paid for, but cant because there is no money left for rent.
as far as i am concearned, the club has done everythig it can to make racing happen. if you feel that it has not, or feel slighted by decisions that have to be made on the fly in order make it happen, then i am sorry. like gary said, the people who the club voted to be officers are the ones who make some of those "on the fly" decisions on behalf of the entire club. that is the way it has to be at this time. when the club has a more secure posistion, both financially and having a venue to race at, we will all be able to make the thing we all want a reality. and right now that reality is having a permenant place to run on carpet this winter.
please do your best to keep personal feeling in check as we work toward the goal of having a place to race this winter, and both indoor and out door seasons in the future.
Now I'm no accountant but I do believe that acquiring new barriers at approx. $1.00 per lineal ft. leads me to another level of confusion
Many of the "CLUB's" members do not post or even look at these boards so there again I am confused with using this avenue for communication? My spouse worked for the school system and they had a call list, meaning they would recieve one call and call three other individuals? Now I don't know if this would work just a suggestion to get info out ie meetings, work days etc...
Also since I'm making suggestions it would be great if the indoor supporters would step up and call races for the outdoor racers and vice versa the outdoor racers would call races for the indoor crowd (although we all understand that a cut on your hand may hinder there performance on a keyboard
) Please excuse my humor if the shoe doesn't fit leave it sit...
08-25-2008, 04:14 PM
#2093
Tech Master
Here is a list of the current club members and when their club dues come up for renewal. If you are not on the list and should be please contact me.
This is also the current list of club members that I have for anyone that wanted to know!
Thanks,
Art
Last | First | Join date | Renewal date
Anderson Jeff 12/28/07 12/28/08
Bauer Mark 11/25/07 11/25/08
Bett Scott 10/10/07 10/10/08
Brown Adam 12/28/07 12/28/08
Burkett Erik 9/15/07 9/15/08
Chu Robert 9/15/07 9/15/08
Diaz Hector 9/21/07 9/21/08
Dimmick Eric 9/15/07 9/15/08
Doerr Christopher 9/16/07 9/16/08
Donovan Micheal 9/15/07 9/15/08
Eversman Justin 9/15/07 9/15/08
Ficco Mario 9/29/07 9/29/08
Folle Steve 9/15/07 9/15/08
Foster Bob 9/15/07 9/15/08
Gonzalez Nol 2/29/07 2/29/08
Gonzalez Robert 11/25/07 11/25/08
Grubb Steve 12/28/07 12/28/08
Hassett Dave 11/25/07 11/25/08
Herring Michael 9/15/07 9/15/08
Hildebrandt Jim 9/29/07 9/29/08
Hiller Jim 9/15/07 9/15/08
Horton Russ 9/20/07 9/20/08
Jones Gary 9/15/07 9/15/08
Karnes Keith 9/15/07 9/15/08
Klingforth Brent 3/2/08 3/2/09
Knight Dave 2/24/08 2/24/09
Lewerke Rich 9/15/07 9/15/08
Manenti Shane 9/15/07 9/15/08
Martinez John 12/9/07 12/9/08
Mascarenas Travis 9/15/07 9/15/08
McGee Jim 9/15/07 9/15/08
Mclaughlin Fred 9/29/07 9/29/08
Minaga Mike 9/29/07 9/29/08
Mullins Gary 11/11/07 11/11/08
Nottberg Tommy 9/15/07 9/15/08
Oberliesen Thom 2/17/08 2/17/09
Ohlsen Paul 9/15/07 9/15/08
Oman Jesse 1/2/08 1/2/09
Pedroza Federico 9/21/07 9/21/08
Pisano Efrem 4/8/08 4/8/09
Powell Doug 9/15/07 9/15/08
Rossi Steve 11/25/07 11/25/08
Schultz Lee 9/15/07 9/15/08
Scrimo Art 11/11/07 11/11/08
Simon Don 9/29/07 9/29/08
Starnes Mike 10/6/07 10/6/08
Stout John 1/13/08 1/13/09
Wernimont Mark 9/15/07 9/15/08
Wheeler Travis 9/29/07 9/29/08
Willener Jason 9/15/07 9/15/08
This is also the current list of club members that I have for anyone that wanted to know!
Thanks,
Art
Last | First | Join date | Renewal date
Anderson Jeff 12/28/07 12/28/08
Bauer Mark 11/25/07 11/25/08
Bett Scott 10/10/07 10/10/08
Brown Adam 12/28/07 12/28/08
Burkett Erik 9/15/07 9/15/08
Chu Robert 9/15/07 9/15/08
Diaz Hector 9/21/07 9/21/08
Dimmick Eric 9/15/07 9/15/08
Doerr Christopher 9/16/07 9/16/08
Donovan Micheal 9/15/07 9/15/08
Eversman Justin 9/15/07 9/15/08
Ficco Mario 9/29/07 9/29/08
Folle Steve 9/15/07 9/15/08
Foster Bob 9/15/07 9/15/08
Gonzalez Nol 2/29/07 2/29/08
Gonzalez Robert 11/25/07 11/25/08
Grubb Steve 12/28/07 12/28/08
Hassett Dave 11/25/07 11/25/08
Herring Michael 9/15/07 9/15/08
Hildebrandt Jim 9/29/07 9/29/08
Hiller Jim 9/15/07 9/15/08
Horton Russ 9/20/07 9/20/08
Jones Gary 9/15/07 9/15/08
Karnes Keith 9/15/07 9/15/08
Klingforth Brent 3/2/08 3/2/09
Knight Dave 2/24/08 2/24/09
Lewerke Rich 9/15/07 9/15/08
Manenti Shane 9/15/07 9/15/08
Martinez John 12/9/07 12/9/08
Mascarenas Travis 9/15/07 9/15/08
McGee Jim 9/15/07 9/15/08
Mclaughlin Fred 9/29/07 9/29/08
Minaga Mike 9/29/07 9/29/08
Mullins Gary 11/11/07 11/11/08
Nottberg Tommy 9/15/07 9/15/08
Oberliesen Thom 2/17/08 2/17/09
Ohlsen Paul 9/15/07 9/15/08
Oman Jesse 1/2/08 1/2/09
Pedroza Federico 9/21/07 9/21/08
Pisano Efrem 4/8/08 4/8/09
Powell Doug 9/15/07 9/15/08
Rossi Steve 11/25/07 11/25/08
Schultz Lee 9/15/07 9/15/08
Scrimo Art 11/11/07 11/11/08
Simon Don 9/29/07 9/29/08
Starnes Mike 10/6/07 10/6/08
Stout John 1/13/08 1/13/09
Wernimont Mark 9/15/07 9/15/08
Wheeler Travis 9/29/07 9/29/08
Willener Jason 9/15/07 9/15/08
Thanks again
08-25-2008, 07:23 PM
#2094
i joined the club at the first race at invesco and dont see my name on the list?
08-25-2008, 07:24 PM
#2095
racer russ for president 
08-25-2008, 10:50 PM
#2097
To whom it may concern, I am confused or maybe just don't understand? Maybe it's just my simple way of looking at things, but if the "CLUB" could barely afford the facility last winter season. And it was basically $1200 a month if my calculations are correct the "CLUB" will more than double it's expense's this winter season
Now I'm no accountant but I do believe that acquiring new barriers at approx. $1.00 per lineal ft. leads me to another level of confusion
Many of the "CLUB's" members do not post or even look at these boards so there again I am confused with using this avenue for communication? My spouse worked for the school system and they had a call list, meaning they would recieve one call and call three other individuals? Now I don't know if this would work just a suggestion to get info out ie meetings, work days etc...
Also since I'm making suggestions it would be great if the indoor supporters would step up and call races for the outdoor racers and vice versa the outdoor racers would call races for the indoor crowd (although we all understand that a cut on your hand may hinder there performance on a keyboard) Please excuse my humor if the shoe doesn't fit leave it sit...
Now I'm no accountant but I do believe that acquiring new barriers at approx. $1.00 per lineal ft. leads me to another level of confusion
Many of the "CLUB's" members do not post or even look at these boards so there again I am confused with using this avenue for communication? My spouse worked for the school system and they had a call list, meaning they would recieve one call and call three other individuals? Now I don't know if this would work just a suggestion to get info out ie meetings, work days etc...
Also since I'm making suggestions it would be great if the indoor supporters would step up and call races for the outdoor racers and vice versa the outdoor racers would call races for the indoor crowd (although we all understand that a cut on your hand may hinder there performance on a keyboard
) Please excuse my humor if the shoe doesn't fit leave it sit...I guess my math is a bit weak as well...maybe someone vastly superior in mathematical equations will chime in. Wasnt going to bring it up since I always seem to be flaming rather then helping....BUT since its out there I would like to hear the solution...
08-26-2008, 05:19 AM
#2098
To cover the cost, we have 13 -15 racers who are going to pay $150/mo for unlimited racing and practice on Tuesday and Saturday. At the 13 person, you get $ 1,950. Which leaves $ 550/month to cover with race entries. Once again, dividing that by $15 means we only need 37 race entries per month to break even.
The big change is 4 Sundays a month not 2, and 4 Thursday nights where we had none and some talk about something on Friday night maybe one a month.
So this is the math that was used to say yes. If we did not have the $150 month supporters this track would not exist. Also, for anyone else who wants to join this group, please send your dollars to Mario.
The big change is 4 Sundays a month not 2, and 4 Thursday nights where we had none and some talk about something on Friday night maybe one a month.
So this is the math that was used to say yes. If we did not have the $150 month supporters this track would not exist. Also, for anyone else who wants to join this group, please send your dollars to Mario.
08-26-2008, 02:02 PM
#2100
So I just did some of this math that was supposedly done...
If what Mark W. is saying is correct, the club basically needs 10 non-monthly-paying entries per week.
Based solely on last winters entries... Over the course of 7 races there were 263 race entry fees. That comes down to an average of: 37.5 Entries per week.
From that, if you remove the entries from the 12 people who will be paying the monthly fee (listed in an earlier post), and take into a count that a majority of the remaining entries were from people that attended only 1 or 2 races.... there were only around 100 additional entries over those 7 races.
That means, the club was only getting on average 10-16 entries per week in addition to those who are going to be paying the $150.
If you increase the number of people paying monthly to 15, the 10-16 average drops down to about 8-12 entries per race in addition to the monthly-paying members.
Take into account the fact that a significant amount of people dont/wont/cant race bi-tri-weekly, and the fact that a lot of people are no longer racing...you are looking at somewhere in the neighborhood of 8-10 non-monthly-paying entries per week.
Also take into account that those 8-10 additional entries will be slpit between 6-8 people, and you are looking at around:
6ppl * $15 +2ppl * $10 = $110/week * 4 = $440/month minimum
8ppl * $15 = $120/week * 4 =................ $480/month median
8ppl * $15 + 2ppl *$10 = $140/week * 4 = $560/month maximum
Also figure that you will have slow months that need to be accounted for (like Christmas/New Years, and mid-February based on last winter's entry counts)....which means the club actually needs to be making more than $2500 over the next 3 months to make up for those slow months
Basically, IMO&R unless something changes with entry counts in the next month, I think the club will be cutting it really close to make rent, let alone buy any new piping for the track layout....but that's just my informed opinion
I will also say right now that doing math like "we need X amount of money, so that's X/(highest entry fee) entries per week" just isnt going to cut it, because you have to take into account that a lot of people sign up for that second class which is what kills (and I can show you the Friday Night Lights income data to prove it if some of you don't think those $5 differences make that big of a difference in income)...
Besides my opinion, for what it's worth...the entry numbers above are correct, so you can form your own math and opinions around that...but based on the way entry numbers have gone in the past 3-4 months, and based on who is paying the $150/month is how I did my math...
Just my two cents...
If what Mark W. is saying is correct, the club basically needs 10 non-monthly-paying entries per week.
Based solely on last winters entries... Over the course of 7 races there were 263 race entry fees. That comes down to an average of: 37.5 Entries per week.
From that, if you remove the entries from the 12 people who will be paying the monthly fee (listed in an earlier post), and take into a count that a majority of the remaining entries were from people that attended only 1 or 2 races.... there were only around 100 additional entries over those 7 races.
That means, the club was only getting on average 10-16 entries per week in addition to those who are going to be paying the $150.
If you increase the number of people paying monthly to 15, the 10-16 average drops down to about 8-12 entries per race in addition to the monthly-paying members.
Take into account the fact that a significant amount of people dont/wont/cant race bi-tri-weekly, and the fact that a lot of people are no longer racing...you are looking at somewhere in the neighborhood of 8-10 non-monthly-paying entries per week.
Also take into account that those 8-10 additional entries will be slpit between 6-8 people, and you are looking at around:
6ppl * $15 +2ppl * $10 = $110/week * 4 = $440/month minimum
8ppl * $15 = $120/week * 4 =................ $480/month median
8ppl * $15 + 2ppl *$10 = $140/week * 4 = $560/month maximum
Also figure that you will have slow months that need to be accounted for (like Christmas/New Years, and mid-February based on last winter's entry counts)....which means the club actually needs to be making more than $2500 over the next 3 months to make up for those slow months
Basically, IMO&R unless something changes with entry counts in the next month, I think the club will be cutting it really close to make rent, let alone buy any new piping for the track layout....but that's just my informed opinion
I will also say right now that doing math like "we need X amount of money, so that's X/(highest entry fee) entries per week" just isnt going to cut it, because you have to take into account that a lot of people sign up for that second class which is what kills (and I can show you the Friday Night Lights income data to prove it if some of you don't think those $5 differences make that big of a difference in income)...
Besides my opinion, for what it's worth...the entry numbers above are correct, so you can form your own math and opinions around that...but based on the way entry numbers have gone in the past 3-4 months, and based on who is paying the $150/month is how I did my math...
Just my two cents...