Adelaide Radio Controlled Raceway Inc.
#4801
#4802
Tech Adept
Wouldnt the cut have to be spot on cause I would imagine the tyre would be out of balance with s crooked cut
#4803
Tech Regular
iTrader: (24)
If your worried about the balance, I would only ever do it after the tyre has been glued to the rim. A very small amout of blutak or lead tape is all you need.
#4804
Tech Adept
I find with std foam for 2wd fronts (especially p/line) I put my rim next to the foam flat on the table and then sit a permanent marker on the rim and turn the foam so you have a line approx 5-8mm higher than the rim. Cut on the line....if its a little wobbly it wont make a noticeable difference. If your real keen you could chamfer the outside corner to match the profile of the tire a bit. Stuff it in the tyre, add glue, fix to car and have some fun.
If your worried about the balance, I would only ever do it after the tyre has been glued to the rim. A very small amout of blutak or lead tape is all you need.
If your worried about the balance, I would only ever do it after the tyre has been glued to the rim. A very small amout of blutak or lead tape is all you need.
thanks for the info mate. I see you drive a 22 2.0 like me.
maybe you could give a back yarder like me some set up tips at the trsck sometime.
#4805
Tech Fanatic
iTrader: (1)
Actually cutting and trimming inserts is a very common practice when using standard foam (non moulded or closed cell type).
Pro-line is very known for needing this to be done.
At the major meetings where Pro-line is still used as a control tyre, and the included white foam insert must be used, it is all but a necessity to shape them for best performance.
Rears are a little easier to get right, with just the inside edge to be cut off at a 45deg angle approx 3-4mm from each corner. So to picture this, mount a foam by itself onto a bare rim, and the cut area will be at the base of the sidewall against the tyre beads mounting point to the rim.
This allows the tyre bead to be glued down evenly, with less chance of the corner of the foam (now removed) getting caught and glued between the rim and the tyre bead.
The other tip here is to turn the tyre itself inside out, and trim 2mm from the outside edge of each mounting bead, this makes the mounting bead narrower, and thus fits more snug into the rims moulded bead mounting recess.
Front inserts should be trimmed down in Pro-line too, both 2wd and 4wd, but as mentioned, approx 1/3rd of the 2wd insert will need to be cut away for a correct fitment of the foam into the tyre.
I will say too, that although the outer surface of the foams can be cut or modified as mentioned in the conversation above, it is not usually a gain to do so, as it will allow the tyre to roll onto the sidewall easier and off the tread face. So usually the foam is kept as a square edge there.
[edit] ...I will add that the products from AKA do not need any of this alteration. Theirs are a simple case of mounting the bead of the tyre to the rim, as it is perfect fit, minimal flashing remains on the rubber after moulding, so no cutting, and the moulded closed cell insert is a perfect fit also, and reusable multiple times over ...so just punch two vent holes of your desired size in the outside of the tyre with a leather punch, and glue up to race!
Pro-line is very known for needing this to be done.
At the major meetings where Pro-line is still used as a control tyre, and the included white foam insert must be used, it is all but a necessity to shape them for best performance.
Rears are a little easier to get right, with just the inside edge to be cut off at a 45deg angle approx 3-4mm from each corner. So to picture this, mount a foam by itself onto a bare rim, and the cut area will be at the base of the sidewall against the tyre beads mounting point to the rim.
This allows the tyre bead to be glued down evenly, with less chance of the corner of the foam (now removed) getting caught and glued between the rim and the tyre bead.
The other tip here is to turn the tyre itself inside out, and trim 2mm from the outside edge of each mounting bead, this makes the mounting bead narrower, and thus fits more snug into the rims moulded bead mounting recess.
Front inserts should be trimmed down in Pro-line too, both 2wd and 4wd, but as mentioned, approx 1/3rd of the 2wd insert will need to be cut away for a correct fitment of the foam into the tyre.
I will say too, that although the outer surface of the foams can be cut or modified as mentioned in the conversation above, it is not usually a gain to do so, as it will allow the tyre to roll onto the sidewall easier and off the tread face. So usually the foam is kept as a square edge there.
[edit] ...I will add that the products from AKA do not need any of this alteration. Theirs are a simple case of mounting the bead of the tyre to the rim, as it is perfect fit, minimal flashing remains on the rubber after moulding, so no cutting, and the moulded closed cell insert is a perfect fit also, and reusable multiple times over ...so just punch two vent holes of your desired size in the outside of the tyre with a leather punch, and glue up to race!
Last edited by 'Paris'; 03-11-2014 at 05:07 AM.
#4807
Tech Regular
iTrader: (24)
Actually cutting and trimming inserts is a very common practice when using standard foam (non moulded or closed cell type).
Proline is very known for needing this to be done.
At the major meetings where Pro-line is still used as a control tyre, and the included white foam insert must be used, it is all but a necessity to shape them for best performance.
Rears are I little easier to get right, with just the inside edge to be cut off at a 45deg angle approx 3-4mm from each corner. So to picture this, mount a foam by itself onto a bare rim, and the cut area will be at the base of the sidewall against the tyre beads mounting point to the rim.
This allows the tyre bead to be glued down evenly, with less chance of the corner of the foam (now removed) getting caught and glued between the rim and the tyre bead.
I will say too, that although the outer surface of the foams can be cut or modified as mentioned in the conversation above, it is not usually a gain to do so, as it will allow the tyre to roll onto the sidewall easier and off the tread face. So usually the foam is kept as a square edge there.
Proline is very known for needing this to be done.
At the major meetings where Pro-line is still used as a control tyre, and the included white foam insert must be used, it is all but a necessity to shape them for best performance.
Rears are I little easier to get right, with just the inside edge to be cut off at a 45deg angle approx 3-4mm from each corner. So to picture this, mount a foam by itself onto a bare rim, and the cut area will be at the base of the sidewall against the tyre beads mounting point to the rim.
This allows the tyre bead to be glued down evenly, with less chance of the corner of the foam (now removed) getting caught and glued between the rim and the tyre bead.
I will say too, that although the outer surface of the foams can be cut or modified as mentioned in the conversation above, it is not usually a gain to do so, as it will allow the tyre to roll onto the sidewall easier and off the tread face. So usually the foam is kept as a square edge there.
Always have my setup sheets and notes of my racing at MP so far in the pit bag so im more than happy for you come past and chat.
#4808
Tech Adept
Thatll be good bigbang pro cheers. Ill hit u up on here before the next meet and get u to wear a red Rose so I know who you are. .lol
Thanks to you too Paris your detailed descriptions and opinion is always appreciated mate..
now hurry up and bring on next race day
Thanks to you too Paris your detailed descriptions and opinion is always appreciated mate..
now hurry up and bring on next race day
#4809
Tech Addict
iTrader: (10)
Hey mate everything in previous posts answered all the questions you asked for.
so i used to run the foams from the pro-line packet. For about 5 meetings.
Got told to try the AKA closed insells. Since then i have never gone back. There is no cutting to fit to size the car is more consistant throughout a 5 minute run. Spend an extra 10 bucks to buy front and rear cells to go in the tyre. As paris said which i never knew you could get 3 club meets out of them before replacing.
That's my 2 cents worth
I just can't believe how much money I save running electric.
Just curious anyone looking to go and run the Canberra nats in October???
#4811
You should trim it so it's the same width as the tyre it's self or 3mm wider than the rim
DON'T shape the edges to make it look like a closed cell though keep the sharp edges just like it comes. Only narrow the width.
#4812
Tech Adept
Thanks for the info gents. Ill think ill try the closed cell inserts on the next batch of tyre.
Can't believe how much is involved in these bloody little cars.
Can't believe how much is involved in these bloody little cars.
#4813
Tech Adept
Any info on what is happening on the 22nd March yet?
#4814
Tech Adept
#4815
Tech Master
iTrader: (31)
There was to be a 2 day event but this has now been cancelled. There is a committee meeting tomorrow night and I am sure it will be discussed then.
I personally can see 3 options.
1. Club meet with no points
2. Working bee
3.Go fishing
Watch this forum after tomorrow night for an update.
I personally can see 3 options.
1. Club meet with no points
2. Working bee
3.Go fishing
Watch this forum after tomorrow night for an update.