Instead of just putting crap on Me how about you post something usefull, like responding to "yeahyeah"'s message about his IB's dropping in terminal voltage so fast when left sitting for a while.

You seem to be the expert on IB cells.


Charles

That may be your experiance from what you sell. But from what I read on the RC Plane forums is differant.

Do you have any test results that proove the IB's can supply a higher amperage rate. From my tests the IB's get Very Hot when discharged at high current rates..... Is that why they are Exploding ?


Charles

Again, I ask what is the miss-information I have been posting ?. I am more than willing to listen. And dont just reply with Crap like "Sanyo Cells Are Junk". Please reply with someing meaningfull. And preferably with something that can be prooved or tested.

The only detrimental thing I can see happening is that the 'quiet' people in the background are actualy starting to wonder whats going on and maybe start to do some tests for themselves. And their is the obvious detrimental effect of you business suffering. I can understand why you dont sell Sanyo cells. They are just too expensive and you would make very little profit on them. A lot of other sellers worldwide are not so narrow minded and offer all choices to their customers.


Charles

I think I got the bait right that time!

So here we go again picking at that scab.

The whole point is that I recognise that you have totally lost the plot and have made yourself just a target to pick at for a reaction. I also recognise that anything I have added to this discussion has been complete crap not worthy of reply. Much like your rants really.

Vote 1 - Sanyo cells are Junk!

Hey that's one vote from me!

Maybe you should talk to the plane guys who are buying batteries. They only want the batteries that can stand the high amp draw ... ie the IB4200 cells.

I am glad to see you know heaps about the wholesale price of batteries. The manufacturers do not sell direct to me. Once again you show your ignorance.

I only sell what is the best performing batteries. That is why I am not selling Sanyo or GP cells at the moment. Both are way down on performance compared to the current IB or Eastpower cells.

I see you just glossed over the correction of ROAR and IFMAR policy that you gave. Once again, wrong information from you but you choose to ignore the fact that you once again give misleading information.

To save you any further distress, I will stop commenting except to say that should we meet on a race track with you using your high voltage Sanyo's and me using the IB4200 cells I will talk to you .... calling out "Lapping ...... again"

It is a pity that people came on here to try to help you as you had been out of the sport for a while. Instead we get accussed of promoting products, not knowing what we are talking about. Have you ever wondered why you are the only one who thinks as you do. That is because the SANYO cells are uncompetitive.

I think you have lost a sale Greg

I see you still cant answer my question. Why even bother replying ?


Charles

RE: "I see you still cant answer my question."
I see you still have selective reading skills, you idiot!

RE: Why even bother replying ?
Because I am laughing my tits off at your stupidity and I suspect you aren't! I haven't had a wind up toy for years!

I dont beleive I said the manufacturer do sell cells directly to you. I was just saying how cheap they are direct from the manufacturer.

Maybe you need to open your eyes at the wider area of RC planes. If you stuck a pack of IB4200's into a Zagi Delta it wouldnt even get off the ground. They are using around 1400 mAh 3/2 AA cells. Sub C is actualy a very large cell for racing delta's.

I didnt gloss over the information about Roar and Ifmar. I quoted facts that Anyone on this forum can check. I saw no reason to reply to whatever you were trying to say.

You will never meet me on a track with my Sanyo cells. As I have said MANY times I will be running IB4200's for the obvious reason.

When are you going to listen to what I am saying and STOP telling me what I am saying.

Again you are telling me what I am saying. I have NEVER said the Sanyo cells are competative. I have said over and over again I agree the IB4200's to be the best performing cell on the track.


Charles

If Greg is Cannon then you are %100 correct. With the obvious attack at everything I say I don't think I could expect a fair deal. With all the crap he has posted towards me I wouldn't be surprised if 6 dead cells turned up when I ordered them. And of course their would be no warrenty because I killed them....

Sorry, But that is how this has deteriorated. It has sunk so low that it's just personal attacks without any Proof being offered. And when I do agree with what he says he then turns around and accuses me of diss-agreeing with him.


Charles

If you are laughing at my Stupidity then I would realy be interested in what I have said that you believe is so Stupid. I always welcome genuine criticism. But so far most of the replies have simply been uselss remarks without any proof being offered.

Selective reading skills.... Sorry, But which bit have I missed ?

If you are just saying that you are simply Winding me up then that is realy helping things out.


Charles

I had said that IB3600's have not been the competition cell for nearly two years. You quote the approval date for IB4200 cells. How is this relevant to what I said. It isn't. Another misleading post by you.

BTW,

I have 3 brand new matched SANYO RC3600HV packs. These are brand new in the box. Two boxes still sealed. They are very competitive.

SANYO RC3600HV / NORMAL IB4200WC

Runtime 434 secs / 520 secs
Av Voltage 1.157 volts / 1.240 volts
Internal Resistance 3.5 / 1.5

As you can see, even when you ignore the lack of runtime, they are very competitive

I am willing to sell these to you for $40 per pack.

The one pack that is opened was to check the cells voltage. As the SANYO's are such good cells they have managed to maintain their voltages at 0.8 volts

They are excellent Japanese cells

I see you are still TELLING me what I am saying instead of listening. I have NEVER said the Sanyo cells are competative. I HAVE AGREED WITH YOU that the IB4200 are the MOST competative cells available.

Why cant you get that. Are you realy that Biased against me you cant even acknowledge when I DO AGREE with you.

Comparing a 3600 mAh cell to a 4200 mAh cell. You are as bad as me. And from the results they were obvioulsy compared at a rate over 10 amps. So again your results agree with mine. It's only at 10 amps the Sanyo achieve a higher average voltage.

I would love to know what method is used to measure the Internal Resistance by the equipment being used by Cell Matchers. It's obvioulsy not the generaly accepted method of a 1 kHz 1 Amp square wave. This is obvious by the results printed on the cells.

From the reading I have done on the Net about Zapping cells I have read it reduces the Internal resistance by around %13 to %18. And since the cells are in the range of 4-5 mOhm when manufactured they will not be that low when measured using the same technique. The best you could expect from what I have read is 4-5 will end up being around 3-4.


Charles

RE: "And most other people are laughing their heads off when you post messages with nothing in them."
COOL!!!!

RE: "Selecting reading skills.... Sorry, But which bit have I missed ?"
This bit. For goodness sake, you are selective quoting too!

Do you even know who the experts are?

RE: "If you are just saying that you are simply Winding me up then that is realy helping things out."
COOL!!!! You really are on the ball tonight!

Hey Charles, I see you are back to using upper case when you are writing crap and you think it should be unconditionally believed. Just a reminder crap is still crap even if it is in upper case. It is just a bigger load of crap!

Perhaps you should read back thru your posts Charles before you start saying anything about personnal attacks.

Are you still wondering why it has turned this way with the above quote from you. As MATCHER i took offence to this and i think i can speak for Greg as well and then saying the figures on the stickers seem like Bullshit..

and i also remember another quote you also stated something about i dont beleive other peoples results unless i do the test myself...