4LikesNEW HOBBYWING STOCK SUPERCHARGED SOFTWARE
07-29-2011, 11:47 PM
#5761
I am actually running an X12 (Nosram Pure Evo) on my bike (yep, we 're friends with Simon!), and we're both going to the RC Bike Worlds next week!
He is a Superbike Champ and top-10 finisher at previous Worlds', and he is also trying his hand at stock bikes.
I am currently running 211 on Xerun 60A, X12 17.5T, track with huge straight (may be 70m, and two more 35-40m straights, flowing track, just one slow chicane) with following settings:
FW 211
FDR 7.2
DDRS 5
boost 20
start 5000
acc 350
slope 18
turbo 15
start 0.3
4-dots on motor.
It's plenty fast and has a kick out of slow corners. Using slipper to tame it down a bit (TT SB-5)
However, I am currently running at very high temps, around 29-35C at the track, and motor gets 65-80C.
So far so good, I keep practising whenever I can!
He is a Superbike Champ and top-10 finisher at previous Worlds', and he is also trying his hand at stock bikes.
I am currently running 211 on Xerun 60A, X12 17.5T, track with huge straight (may be 70m, and two more 35-40m straights, flowing track, just one slow chicane) with following settings:
FW 211
FDR 7.2
DDRS 5
boost 20
start 5000
acc 350
slope 18
turbo 15
start 0.3
4-dots on motor.
It's plenty fast and has a kick out of slow corners. Using slipper to tame it down a bit (TT SB-5)
However, I am currently running at very high temps, around 29-35C at the track, and motor gets 65-80C.
So far so good, I keep practising whenever I can!
07-30-2011, 01:43 AM
#5762
Tech Rookie
You are absolutely mad if you think adding timing at 1000 rpm is going to work. At big events when traction is super high i will start at 7000 and maybe even work up to a 9000 start and this is in boosted 17.5..... i challenge anyone that is running a super low start rpm to change it and see how much better your car accelerates.
The X12 has loads of torque especially if you do like everyone else and run the 4 dot timing. As others have already stated I found the X12 to work much better with the 2 dot timing and only running around 30 boost and 10 turbo at max then gear the crap out of it.
You will find most motors do not need any timing before 4 or 5000 rpm in any application. You are actually creating less acceleration as the motor is struggling to add timing when it is under so much load at low rpm. The motors much prefer boost timing being added when there is less load and turbo when there is no load.
As a bike would be quite sensitive to throttle input i would be tempted to add a bigger turbo delay as well so you are not getting unwanted kick too early on.
I would try these settings with your X12
2 dot timing, FDR as is although you will probably end up adding more pinion.
Drrs 5
Start 5000
Boost 30
Boost timing acc 250
Turbo 10
Delay 0.3
Turbo slope 12
The X12 has loads of torque especially if you do like everyone else and run the 4 dot timing. As others have already stated I found the X12 to work much better with the 2 dot timing and only running around 30 boost and 10 turbo at max then gear the crap out of it.
You will find most motors do not need any timing before 4 or 5000 rpm in any application. You are actually creating less acceleration as the motor is struggling to add timing when it is under so much load at low rpm. The motors much prefer boost timing being added when there is less load and turbo when there is no load.
As a bike would be quite sensitive to throttle input i would be tempted to add a bigger turbo delay as well so you are not getting unwanted kick too early on.
I would try these settings with your X12
2 dot timing, FDR as is although you will probably end up adding more pinion.
Drrs 5
Start 5000
Boost 30
Boost timing acc 250
Turbo 10
Delay 0.3
Turbo slope 12
07-30-2011, 03:42 AM
#5764
You are absolutely mad if you think adding timing at 1000 rpm is going to work. At big events when traction is super high i will start at 7000 and maybe even work up to a 9000 start and this is in boosted 17.5..... i challenge anyone that is running a super low start rpm to change it and see how much better your car accelerates.
What big events where the traction was "high" have you raced at? Some of the gun setups from TITC 11.5 class this year used a super low start rpm
07-30-2011, 11:19 AM
#5765
1 Mode for/brake
2 Drag brake 0
3 volt protection 3.0v/cell
4 DRRS Punch LVL 3
5 Brake force 82.5%
6 Reverse force 100%
7 Initial brake 0%
8 Neutral range 6%
9 Boost timing 30%
10 Turbo Slope 12
11 Overheat protection OFF
12 Turbo Timing 10
13 Start RPM 6,000
14 Turbo Delay 0.3sec
15 Timing ACC 600
x12 fdr 8.14 mi1
motor ran at 87c all day carpet indoor 30x30
2 Drag brake 0
3 volt protection 3.0v/cell
4 DRRS Punch LVL 3
5 Brake force 82.5%
6 Reverse force 100%
7 Initial brake 0%
8 Neutral range 6%
9 Boost timing 30%
10 Turbo Slope 12
11 Overheat protection OFF
12 Turbo Timing 10
13 Start RPM 6,000
14 Turbo Delay 0.3sec
15 Timing ACC 600
x12 fdr 8.14 mi1
motor ran at 87c all day carpet indoor 30x30
07-30-2011, 12:20 PM
#5766
would you guys say hw is as fast as speedpassion for 13.5t boosted touring?
deciding between sp and hw for my touring but not sure if hw will give me enough speed
deciding between sp and hw for my touring but not sure if hw will give me enough speed
07-30-2011, 04:08 PM
#5768
07-30-2011, 04:30 PM
#5769
07-30-2011, 05:38 PM
#5770
07-30-2011, 07:08 PM
#5771
i m just very curious performance between sp and hw. someone said their hw 13.5 boost is as fast as mod. is it possible?
07-30-2011, 07:08 PM
#5772
Tech Regular
iTrader: (20)
new esc foot print
I have 2 HW and 2 SP esc's and like them a lot. I have had no issues with either; I am just a club level racer both on and off road. My only beef is the foot print. I heard the newer esc will have a smaller foot print.
Can Cobra confrim this? and its size. I recently sold my Cougar sv and got a TLR 22 runing it mid I had to shoe horn that esc in there with body stress every where. I got it in but is not pretty. Works well though.. Does HW currently sell the smaller foot print esc under a different suppliers name? I want to stay with HW brand. I have not tried installing my esc in my Durango dex410r.. I am sure its going to be as fun as the TLR 22
On a positive note I have two installed in my Photons 17.5 and 21.5 and they work flawless. got the chassis balanced and running narrow chassis on both.. I am glad |I did not jump to the tekin band wagon.
Can Cobra confrim this? and its size. I recently sold my Cougar sv and got a TLR 22 runing it mid I had to shoe horn that esc in there with body stress every where. I got it in but is not pretty. Works well though.. Does HW currently sell the smaller foot print esc under a different suppliers name? I want to stay with HW brand. I have not tried installing my esc in my Durango dex410r.. I am sure its going to be as fun as the TLR 22
On a positive note I have two installed in my Photons 17.5 and 21.5 and they work flawless. got the chassis balanced and running narrow chassis on both.. I am glad |I did not jump to the tekin band wagon.
07-31-2011, 11:57 AM
#5773
Tech Regular
anyone got a good starting setup for a duo 3 21.5 using the 211 software
heres a track ill b running on
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/barry.h/homepage.htm
thanks...
heres a track ill b running on
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/barry.h/homepage.htm
thanks...
07-31-2011, 09:12 PM
#5774
Hi..
A question...
Any opinion/advice on hobbywing sensored 10.5 and 17.5? how is the performance? i saw a lot of discussion on other brand, but not this one.
Currently im using the 10.5. so far so good, but thinking to buy a new one as the current motor i already have a pretty dent casing hehe...
Thanks
A question...
Any opinion/advice on hobbywing sensored 10.5 and 17.5? how is the performance? i saw a lot of discussion on other brand, but not this one.
Currently im using the 10.5. so far so good, but thinking to buy a new one as the current motor i already have a pretty dent casing hehe...
Thanks
07-31-2011, 10:37 PM
#5775
Tech Adept
The motors are quoted as having a little lower KV rating than some others but they are good motors. I havent used any higher than 13.5 but the 10.5 and especially the 13.5 are screamers 