52LikesEuropean 2wd 1/8th pan car on-road Classic class
09-16-2013, 04:45 PM
#3121
Heh
I think you'd be hard pressed to pry an old 2wd serpent away from anyone that has one. On the flip side, there are lots of old serpent 4wd's that you could convert easily enough, I have an old serpent excel myself that I considered converting over in the beginning but didn't. If you prefer belt drive, I'd think almost any model would be a good donor in that respect, since they're all pretty much the same anyways.
09-16-2013, 05:37 PM
#3122
Convert a 4wd to pan?
I think you'd be hard pressed to pry an old 2wd serpent away from anyone that has one. On the flip side, there are lots of old serpent 4wd's that you could convert easily enough, I have an old serpent excel myself that I considered converting over in the beginning but didn't. If you prefer belt drive, I'd think almost any model would be a good donor in that respect, since they're all pretty much the same anyways.
09-16-2013, 06:08 PM
#3123
Vintage Bodies
Nice Lotus. Its a pitty, that you are alone. You can fly overseas to compete with us :-) Sure wish I could!! 
One of the reason why we start our vintage category is passion to old and realistic bodies and effort to made scratchbuild cars. Exactly! A few of us had the same idea but then the GFG's won out!Of course with open wheel or touring car bodies you will be a slower, compare with LeMans type bodies. For example my McLaren M20 has a very good downforce. We often use a deltaplastic bodies Porsche 956, 962, McLaren M20 etc.
I'm working on the M20 to be a Dan Gurney 48 M8D, and I have a Parma Lola T-333 Single seat CanAm to do. Also a Zakspeed Capri!
For this reason I plan for next year two categories as were driven in our country in the past.
RC V1 - Formel type bodies (I looking forward to RC scale competition between Tyrel, Lotus 72, McLaren, Surtess and others :-) )
RC V2 - LeMans, DTM, CanAM etc. type bodies Great ideas! When our club raced for fun, back in the day, we ran Open-wheel for 1/2 of the season, then GT for a the other half. CanAm ran all year.
Who wants to be very very fast, must move to 4WD (In czech Rep only to Czech Nationals) with unrealistic Lola :-) I totally agree, the current bodies are an embarrassment! I started in this hobby in 1971 and many of the early leaders and manufacturers had been running slot cars. They warranted many times on loosing the scale looks of the cars and running the "doorstop" bodies common in slot!! Unfortunately the pan class is still in it's infancy here and the only way to help it grow is to go with the flow. Maybe someday others will see the light!! please apologize my CZEnglish, i hope, that you catch my drift :-)
One of the reason why we start our vintage category is passion to old and realistic bodies and effort to made scratchbuild cars. Exactly! A few of us had the same idea but then the GFG's won out!Of course with open wheel or touring car bodies you will be a slower, compare with LeMans type bodies. For example my McLaren M20 has a very good downforce. We often use a deltaplastic bodies Porsche 956, 962, McLaren M20 etc.
I'm working on the M20 to be a Dan Gurney 48 M8D, and I have a Parma Lola T-333 Single seat CanAm to do. Also a Zakspeed Capri!
For this reason I plan for next year two categories as were driven in our country in the past.
RC V1 - Formel type bodies (I looking forward to RC scale competition between Tyrel, Lotus 72, McLaren, Surtess and others :-) )
RC V2 - LeMans, DTM, CanAM etc. type bodies Great ideas! When our club raced for fun, back in the day, we ran Open-wheel for 1/2 of the season, then GT for a the other half. CanAm ran all year.
Who wants to be very very fast, must move to 4WD (In czech Rep only to Czech Nationals) with unrealistic Lola :-) I totally agree, the current bodies are an embarrassment! I started in this hobby in 1971 and many of the early leaders and manufacturers had been running slot cars. They warranted many times on loosing the scale looks of the cars and running the "doorstop" bodies common in slot!! Unfortunately the pan class is still in it's infancy here and the only way to help it grow is to go with the flow.
Maybe someday others will see the light!! please apologize my CZEnglish, i hope, that you catch my drift :-)Here are a couple of pics of the type of F1's we ran "back in the day"! The bodies were fiberglass, made by a club founder, Dick Zimmerman.
Ned
09-16-2013, 08:30 PM
#3124
Heh
He did, and he's probably running it faster than I am my 4wd. A lot of the older serpents have a diff, my excel has one, and that diff is still commercially available as well.
09-16-2013, 09:04 PM
#3125
We ran a variety of Formula bodies made of lexan. The Tecno, The AJ Foyt Coyote and The Ferrari 312 are three that Associated made. We were running the radio box at the time instead of a radio tray. It was black, approx 6x3 inches and had an aluminum base. All we needed to do was cut a slotted hole for the linkage to the brake/carb and from the front to the servo saver.
09-16-2013, 09:22 PM
#3126
09-17-2013, 07:58 AM
#3127
We ran a variety of Formula bodies made of lexan. The Tecno, The AJ Foyt Coyote and The Ferrari 312 are three that Associated made. We were running the radio box at the time instead of a radio tray. It was black, approx 6x3 inches and had an aluminum base. All we needed to do was cut a slotted hole for the linkage to the brake/carb and from the front to the servo saver.
Indy had a annual oval race to start of the season that was a blast with open wheel bodies.
09-18-2013, 11:38 AM
#3128
But I think that is not a point.
My opinion is, that under flat pan car body (for example McLaren M20) you can "cover" or "hide" an excellent, sofisticated chassis with independent suspension, with shocks, upper radio tray, exhaust and manifold, servo saver with bearings etc. and car will be looks like original.
But under Formel body, which respect body from ´70 years, like Ned posted, it is little bit difficult. Body is narrower and lower.
I tried to make McLaren M23 (Gilles Villeneuve from Silverstone 1977) body to my chassis (photo is below) but I stopped this because at the end its not looks like McLaren M23 :-) For this bodies are more suitable simple chassis with solid axles like SG Futura or similar.
09-18-2013, 05:42 PM
#3129
Tech Fanatic
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I have been in contact with DFX and mantua model's. They both are willing to important there chassis to the states. But the cost maybe the killer as the new DFX chassis is around $625.00 and the same with the mantua Mc2 as will. But chassis price isn't the issue. Its the fact that where is the savings going to come in. Either a spec fuel, engine and tire or something scale racing and bodies all sound nice but at this rate I'll just stick with with TC and WGT..
09-18-2013, 06:14 PM
#3130
I have been in contact with DFX and mantua model's. They both are willing to important there chassis to the states. But the cost maybe the killer as the new DFX chassis is around $625.00 and the same with the mantua Mc2 as will. But chassis price isn't the issue. Its the fact that where is the savings going to come in. Either a spec fuel, engine and tire or something scale racing and bodies all sound nice but at this rate I'll just stick with with TC and WGT..
09-18-2013, 06:43 PM
#3131
Tech Regular
I have been in contact with DFX and mantua model's. They both are willing to important there chassis to the states. But the cost maybe the killer as the new DFX chassis is around $625.00 and the same with the mantua Mc2 as will. But chassis price isn't the issue. Its the fact that where is the savings going to come in. Either a spec fuel, engine and tire or something scale racing and bodies all sound nice but at this rate I'll just stick with with TC and WGT..
You need to get out more!
09-18-2013, 07:04 PM
#3132
If you knew anything about 1/8th or 1/10th nitro 4wd, you'd under stand. You don't understand how the 2wd gets 7 maybe 10 minutes on the same 125 cc of fuel that the 4wd is fighting to get 5. 2wd races hard with a $150 motor compared to $500 plus for 4wd. 2wd fronts last about 4 to 5 race weekends while using up old 4wd rears for free, 4wd will us at least 1 set of front and rears in their main.
You need to get out more!
09-18-2013, 07:19 PM
#3133
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I have been in contact with DFX and mantua model's. They both are willing to important there chassis to the states. But the cost maybe the killer as the new DFX chassis is around $625.00 and the same with the mantua Mc2 as will. But chassis price isn't the issue. Its the fact that where is the savings going to come in. Either a spec fuel, engine and tire or something scale racing and bodies all sound nice but at this rate I'll just stick with with TC and WGT..
Last edited by MrHistory; 09-18-2013 at 07:33 PM.
09-18-2013, 09:42 PM
#3134
I have been in contact with DFX and mantua model's. They both are willing to important there chassis to the states. But the cost maybe the killer as the new DFX chassis is around $625.00 and the same with the mantua Mc2 as will. But chassis price isn't the issue. Its the fact that where is the savings going to come in. Either a spec fuel, engine and tire or something scale racing and bodies all sound nice but at this rate I'll just stick with with TC and WGT..
....like Lon said...fronts last forever...4WD guys give you used rears for free....it doesn't get any cheaper than that....maybe some 4WD guy will pay you to take his tires.....
.......scale racing??....we tried to go there...we ordered bodies from across the pond.....MORE expensive...but cool...
....pan cars are cheap any way you slice it.....even next to motor/speedo of the week electric racing.......