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Old 05-09-2008, 06:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Lazer Guy
Thanks again Scott ...I will try the changes you suggested.

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I ran the 0* front block on carpet and my car was very twitchy, I added 1mm wheel spacers to make the front wider and my car was not twitchy at all and drove very nice. I had to keep the wheel nuts tight with the 1mm spacers.
Make sure you adjust your front toe after changing the front pivot block.

Were you running rubber or foam tires??

Also oneway, diff or spool??
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Originally Posted by Lazer Guy
Thanks again Scott ...I will try the changes you suggested.

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I ran the 0* front block on carpet and my car was very twitchy, I added 1mm wheel spacers to make the front wider and my car was not twitchy at all and drove very nice. I had to keep the wheel nuts tight with the 1mm spacers.
Sometimes the 0 block makes more initial turn in especially when you have lower roll center in the front.
I would recommend you to move the spacers on the inner hinge pins to make the wheel base shorter (front a-arms will move toward back) when you have 0 block in the front. This will reduce the front drive shaft (cvd) sweep angle.

I hope it helps.
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Wow ... thanks for all the input on pivot blocks and their application. I'll be racing this car this weekend and will try some of these suggestions. Again, thank you !
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Originally Posted by Scott B
Make sure you adjust your front toe after changing the front pivot block.

Were you running rubber or foam tires??

Also oneway, diff or spool??
This is a "bone stock" spec class that HB is running here in SoCal. No alterations are allowed other than gearing. As a matter of fact you have to run their super swift 27T Saturn motor and grippy Gumball tires

That said, it's running a diff and rubber tires.

Thanks again for the help.
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Originally Posted by Matt Pocknell
I would start with thickening your oil, try 45-50wt.
Ive always liked 40wt oil, 30wt when i tried it felt too twitchy especially on the front.
30 wt in the rear shocks should be ok though, and ive seen it a few times on setup sheets.
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Originally Posted by Scott B
Make sure you adjust your front toe after changing the front pivot block.

Were you running rubber or foam tires??

Also oneway, diff or spool??
Thank you
I will make sure my toe is right.

I was running rubber with a diff on some layouts and a spool on others. My Cyclone had so much steering on carpet I had to use a 1.6 sway bar and 0* front block to stop it from hooking coming out of corners on power. I TQed and won every race after that. The xray guys went down working hard on there cars, my Cyclone ruled the carpet this winter in 10.5 rubber and I had fun doing it.
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Originally Posted by Lazer Guy
Thank you
I will make sure my toe is right.

I was running rubber with a diff on some layouts and a spool on others. My Cyclone had so much steering on carpet I had to use a 1.6 sway bar and 0* front block to stop it from hooking coming out of corners on power. I TQed and won every race after that. The xray guys went down working hard on there cars, my Cyclone ruled the carpet this winter in 10.5 rubber and I had fun doing it.
Lazer guy if you have too much steering try removing the ackerman shims under the side by side ball studs on the servo saver.
That i believe should reduce initial turn in.
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Originally Posted by Lazer Guy
Thank you
I will make sure my toe is right.

I was running rubber with a diff on some layouts and a spool on others. My Cyclone had so much steering on carpet I had to use a 1.6 sway bar and 0* front block to stop it from hooking coming out of corners on power. I TQed and won every race after that. The xray guys went down working hard on there cars, my Cyclone ruled the carpet this winter in 10.5 rubber and I had fun doing it.
wish i coudl get that much steering, what springs/oil are you running? ride height?
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I tried ackerman down to 2mm and back up .5mm at a time and ended up at 4mm. My car just did not feel right with anything other then 4mm.

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I tried all kind of springs, the stock springs worked the best for me.
oil 30
ride height 4.5

I started with Stew Noble's carpet wars setup, it had to much steering for me, you will think the back is lose and it will hook coming out on power.
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i have stew nobles carpet wars setup, i wish the car had more steering! if i get out of the groove the car slides like its on ice.
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I walked by my car today and if things go well I may even touch it later
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Originally Posted by B18C Turbo
i have stew nobles carpet wars setup, i wish the car had more steering! if i get out of the groove the car slides like its on ice.
The front or the back?
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Originally Posted by STLNLST
I walked by my car today and if things go well I may even touch it later
You bored?

Haha, me and my friends set up a make shift track today, washed the asphalt and raced out 18R's and I ran my cyclone, Was fun!
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Originally Posted by Scott B
OK I got my winning 13.5 setup from the REEDY Warmup race up on gearchart.com..

http://www.gearchart.com/setup/setup...RMUP_SETUP.pdf

Any Questions let me know..
We got rained out so I did not get to race with your set up. I did get some practice in on Saturday and it felt very good so I put my 7700kv in and it felt even better. I need to drive alot more with it before I move anything.

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how do you wash the surface?
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