USVTA Woes
#181
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By your logic, we should onily have 1 ESC, 1 chassis, 1 battery, etc. You banned your own 25.5, but you did not ban the Cirtix? What is the difference?
Yes seriously, I do not understand your logic, because you forgot all the 12th scale classes, USGT, WGT, not to mention all the offroad classes, not to mention all the nitro classes. VTA is what is run at our local track, and it is what I personally enjoy running. That I chose to run a speed passion ESC is my choice, which while it seems to be slower, I prefer because of it's smoothness and reliability. I never expected the speed passion person to come here and tell me to dump it for a Novak.
My turn...seriously?
Yes seriously, I do not understand your logic, because you forgot all the 12th scale classes, USGT, WGT, not to mention all the offroad classes, not to mention all the nitro classes. VTA is what is run at our local track, and it is what I personally enjoy running. That I chose to run a speed passion ESC is my choice, which while it seems to be slower, I prefer because of it's smoothness and reliability. I never expected the speed passion person to come here and tell me to dump it for a Novak.
My turn...seriously?
Now...where did I tell you to dump the SP ESC to go to Novak..? I was only talking about motor......and I really HOPE the ESC rule is only 1 brand too, of course I wish it can be SP only ESC rule because NOVAK already took the motor area, but I don't think I said I would want others to run NOVAK ESC other then SP.
About the motor rule...because NOVAK was the 1st to support the VTA and made the 25.5.....the choice is easy, and I respect that. THAT.........actually helping the class. Adding the SP motor in it would only hurting the class.
#182
Tech Master
Why don't you guys just make this class 100% spec. hand out speedo, motor and batt? I know several guys that don't want to run this class because they already have so much "illegal" escs lying around. If VTA wants that much close racing at an affordable price, hand out electronics should be seriously considered.
#183
Tech Elite
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But you have to give me a solid reason, why adding MORE MOTOR, especially on a very very slow 25.5 will benefit the class...? Not to mention...who would actually make 25.5 for a very small market that only USA and only partial of the USA will run this turn of motor..?
Now...where did I tell you to dump the SP ESC to go to Novak..? I was only talking about motor......and I really HOPE the ESC rule is only 1 brand too, of course I wish it can be SP only ESC rule because NOVAK already took the motor area, but I don't think I said I would want others to run NOVAK ESC other then SP.
About the motor rule...because NOVAK was the 1st to support the VTA and made the 25.5.....the choice is easy, and I respect that. THAT.........actually helping the class. Adding the SP motor in it would only hurting the class.
Now...where did I tell you to dump the SP ESC to go to Novak..? I was only talking about motor......and I really HOPE the ESC rule is only 1 brand too, of course I wish it can be SP only ESC rule because NOVAK already took the motor area, but I don't think I said I would want others to run NOVAK ESC other then SP.
About the motor rule...because NOVAK was the 1st to support the VTA and made the 25.5.....the choice is easy, and I respect that. THAT.........actually helping the class. Adding the SP motor in it would only hurting the class.
I assumed you wanted 1 ESC as the same logic applies for you suggesting only 1 motor. I think Novak was first to the table with the ESC, so does that mean the Cirtix should be banned? Again, this is your logic, not mine. I love my Cirtix and am happy that I bought it, and happy to continue using it. I have that option for an ESC, why should I not have any options for a motor? I do not see how adding a SP 25.5 motor (or another manufacturer motor) would hurt the class, unless it was a signifigant advantage or disadvantage in performance. Some would argue (myself included) that there is enough variability in the Novak motors, that it would not matter what specs a competitors motor is, as long as it is a 25.5.
Again, everyone here (other then some of the lawn gnome and silly putty powered uber fast drivers) wants to see VTA grow, thrive, and continue to gain in popularity. Call me dense (i am sure many here are calling me much worse) how having another motor option (just like multiple ESC options) will hurt the class? It may not be financially worthwhile as a manufacturer to produce one, and that is only something they can determine, but I sure don't see how it will hurt the class any differently then the multiple battery/chassis options do.
#184
Tech Master
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Why don't you guys just make this class 100% spec. hand out speedo, motor and batt? I know several guys that don't want to run this class because they already have so much "illegal" escs lying around. If VTA wants that much close racing at an affordable price, hand out electronics should be seriously considered.
At my oval track we all run 17.5 motors non-boosted, no timing.
Although 25.5 is for vintage trans am these days. Honestly Tamiya Silvercans
can also be legal because I have a boatload of those.
Id like to try one of those motors on a 2-cell Lipo just to see how fast it goes...lol
#185
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Sorry if it seemed mean, but don't knock Novak. They have supported R/C diligently and maybe there is an incident or two with a problem out of the box, no user error at all, but most/all of us know Novak to be a very reputable company with excellent support. They are partly responsible for how awesome the VTA equation is. Top level plug and play quality electronics for shipped from china prices and still complaints??
#188
Tech Elite
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Now if you do race against someone that races with a brand x motor.. and they beat you, racing your toy car , and that's the ONLY reason they beat you.. does that make you lose sleep? Is it an ego and/or testosterone thing? Your name is over my name on the printout at the end of the night? Really? Did you have fun at ANY point or were you too busy assuming that someone else had an advantage from the start? How often have we just driven a *perfect* race where something other than our own actions/decisions would have been the biggest factor? You can't accept that ONE part of your car has to be made by Novak?
Grow up.
#190
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Sorry if it seemed mean, but don't knock Novak. They have supported R/C diligently and maybe there is an incident or two with a problem out of the box, no user error at all, but most/all of us know Novak to be a very reputable company with excellent support. They are partly responsible for how awesome the VTA equation is. Top level plug and play quality electronics for shipped from china prices and still complaints??
#191
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Enter the brushless era. I'm working part time in a hobby store, and notice the number of people who've bought SS systems I'm having to refer to Novak's return policy. It was more than I had ever seen in 20+ years of brushed.
Move forward to the GTB, I watched one racer at the club track install a brand new GTB and Novak 17.5. He sets the speedo, and everything checks out great on the bench. Sets the car on track, pulls the trigger, and instant smoke............ John Foister (owner of BSR tires, class act, and at the time, owner of this track) says he'll handle the return, and hands the customer another brand new esc. Racer installs second GTB, asks another racer and myself to check his work. Everything looks great. He plugs in the pack, and instant smoke. That was two just that day.
We watched countless others go up in flames, so much so, that the phrase Guaranteed To Burn, was coined.
This was obviously a bad period for Novak and I'm sure they stood behind each and everyone of those products and handled those situations. I like Bob, Steve Weiss and Charlie. But I also understand how that sort of thing can turn a person away from a certain brand.
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#193
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Really? Many of these posters have stated genuine concerns about reliability that they have EXPERIENCED themselves and your response is that they're elitists?
This was obviously a bad period for Novak and I'm sure they stood behind each and everyone of those products and handled those situations. I like Bob, Steve Weiss and Charlie. But I also understand how that sort of thing can turn a person away from a certain brand.
This was obviously a bad period for Novak and I'm sure they stood behind each and everyone of those products and handled those situations. I like Bob, Steve Weiss and Charlie. But I also understand how that sort of thing can turn a person away from a certain brand.
There have been known problems with many brands, sometimes I feel the bigger guys get a bad rap because they sell so many more and therefore the reported problems get overblown a tad. Most happy consumers say nothing, the person that feels slighted on any level will often complain the loudest and the longest
Some products are just turds, for any manufacturer.
With that being said, if you made me sit down and write a short list of brands that I would have problems in using... Novak isn't my first choice. My first esc was a T4, I've personally bought, used, sold, and tossed both more esc's and specifically more Novak products than most people here have even seen or heard of firsthand... they're overall a good company, their target market is just NOT the diehard racer.
And again... the biggest complaints seem to be about the motor restriction. There are other esc choices - run something else and go have fun.
Run a different brand of legal esc... go for it. Just run one of the two legal Novak motors.
Last edited by LasagnaCat; 06-11-2012 at 02:00 PM.
#194