BRUSHLESS STOCK in STOCK CLASS.
11-04-2003, 08:57 AM
#61
Re: charlie's post
Originally posted by howard hudson
just wondering if any of you brushless guys even read charlies post ( He works at novak ya know ). tell ya what Ill just put some of it up
"Soon BUT NOT YET there will be a an SS4300 motor. It is lower performance than the SS5800 even in the unlimited profile. this is just the motor to be used with the Super Sport Brushless ESC.
The Super Sport and the SS5800 are faster than a stock motor in any profile. By a lot. We just missed our test points is all. We could try to change the software but that would be "Service Nightmare" so we arent' planning on any changes to the ESC. The limited mode is still a bit too fast for stock class because folks gear them to the moon for top speed. It takes a little punch feel away, but it is still on par with a decent 19 turn motor."
so there it is right from the source. nuff said
on par with a decent 19t imagin that
just wondering if any of you brushless guys even read charlies post ( He works at novak ya know ). tell ya what Ill just put some of it up
"Soon BUT NOT YET there will be a an SS4300 motor. It is lower performance than the SS5800 even in the unlimited profile. this is just the motor to be used with the Super Sport Brushless ESC.
The Super Sport and the SS5800 are faster than a stock motor in any profile. By a lot. We just missed our test points is all. We could try to change the software but that would be "Service Nightmare" so we arent' planning on any changes to the ESC. The limited mode is still a bit too fast for stock class because folks gear them to the moon for top speed. It takes a little punch feel away, but it is still on par with a decent 19 turn motor."
so there it is right from the source. nuff said
on par with a decent 19t imagin that
Charlie is correct the Super Sport esc and the SS5800 are about on par with a 19t motor.
What may have gone over looked above is that the new 4300 version in ANY mode on the Super Sport esc performs like a tuned 27t stocker. From Dyno results of several differnet brand stock motors and tuners.
Just wanted to clarify this distinct difference.
11-04-2003, 08:58 AM
#62
I have a few hypothetical questions for all you guys.
Lets imagine that you are at a "National Race" of some sorts... lots of racers and lots of pros and lots of bowling trophy's to be had. Now lets imagine that you have every piece of equipment in the world... but you can only race one class.
1) Given that there was equal racers/pros in the brushless class and the brushed class, which would you want to be in and why?
2) How about where there was 80% of the drivers/pros running in brushless and 20% were running in brushed. Then which would you run and why?
3) Number 2 reversed. 20% racers/pros in brushless and 80% in brushed. Which would you run and why?
Lets imagine that you are at a "National Race" of some sorts... lots of racers and lots of pros and lots of bowling trophy's to be had. Now lets imagine that you have every piece of equipment in the world... but you can only race one class.
1) Given that there was equal racers/pros in the brushless class and the brushed class, which would you want to be in and why?
2) How about where there was 80% of the drivers/pros running in brushless and 20% were running in brushed. Then which would you run and why?
3) Number 2 reversed. 20% racers/pros in brushless and 80% in brushed. Which would you run and why?
11-04-2003, 09:02 AM
#63
That is besides the point. The discussion is weather or not to run Brush and Brushless in the same race.... thats it.
11-04-2003, 09:06 AM
#64
1) Given that there was equal racers/pros in the brushless class and the brushed class, which would you want to be in and why?
Brushless, so I didn't have to spend any time maintaining my motor.
2) How about where there was 80% of the drivers/pros running in brushless and 20% were running in brushed. Then which would you run and why?
Brushless, so I didn't have to spend any time maintaining my motor.
3) Number 2 reversed. 20% racers/pros in brushless and 80% in brushed. Which would you run and why?
Brushless, so I didn't have to spend any time maintaining my motor.
Wouldn't win anything anyway
Brushless, so I didn't have to spend any time maintaining my motor.
2) How about where there was 80% of the drivers/pros running in brushless and 20% were running in brushed. Then which would you run and why?
Brushless, so I didn't have to spend any time maintaining my motor.
3) Number 2 reversed. 20% racers/pros in brushless and 80% in brushed. Which would you run and why?
Brushless, so I didn't have to spend any time maintaining my motor.
Wouldn't win anything anyway
11-04-2003, 09:08 AM
#66
Tech Elite
off subject
come on guys lets not get into the personel insults. Lets keep focused on the issue at hand mmmmmmmkkkkkkkkk.
now as far as Iam concerned.Until R.O.A.R or N.O.R.C.A deems the BL motor legel to run as a stock motor it should have its own class period. now If a bl wants to run with the stock racers thats fine as long as all the other racers are made aware of it before the heats start. and all are in a agreement. But when it is kept to one or two ppl and not to the rest. To me my friends thats the same as cheating. But if thats OK with all of you then I will start using a 19t in stock. ( not like I would)
now as far as Iam concerned.Until R.O.A.R or N.O.R.C.A deems the BL motor legel to run as a stock motor it should have its own class period. now If a bl wants to run with the stock racers thats fine as long as all the other racers are made aware of it before the heats start. and all are in a agreement. But when it is kept to one or two ppl and not to the rest. To me my friends thats the same as cheating. But if thats OK with all of you then I will start using a 19t in stock. ( not like I would)
11-04-2003, 09:12 AM
#67
Originally posted by holycow
The discussion is weather or not to run Brush and Brushless in the same race.... thats it.
The discussion is weather or not to run Brush and Brushless in the same race.... thats it.
If you have enough racers you can even split them up by people who have blue bodies and those who have red bodies.
Face it... this question only pertains to local club races... "larger" races will have them seperated or have restrictions.
11-04-2003, 09:13 AM
#68
come on guys lets not get into the personel insults. Lets keep focused on the issue at hand mmmmmmmkkkkkkkkk.
now as far as Iam concerned.Until R.O.A.R or N.O.R.C.A deems the BL motor legel to run as a stock motor it should have its own class period. now If a bl wants to run with the stock racers thats fine as long as all the other racers are made aware of it before the heats start. and all are in a agreement. But when it is kept to one or two ppl and not to the rest. To me my friends thats the same as cheating. But if thats OK with all of you then I will start using a 19t in stock. ( not like I would)
now as far as Iam concerned.Until R.O.A.R or N.O.R.C.A deems the BL motor legel to run as a stock motor it should have its own class period. now If a bl wants to run with the stock racers thats fine as long as all the other racers are made aware of it before the heats start. and all are in a agreement. But when it is kept to one or two ppl and not to the rest. To me my friends thats the same as cheating. But if thats OK with all of you then I will start using a 19t in stock. ( not like I would)
11-04-2003, 09:14 AM
#69
Tech Elite
Re: Re: charlie's post
Originally posted by rocketron
Charlie is correct the Super Sport esc and the SS5800 are about on par with a 19t motor.
What may have gone over looked above is that the new 4300 version in ANY mode on the Super Sport esc performs like a tuned 27t stocker. From Dyno results of several differnet brand stock motors and tuners.
Just wanted to clarify this distinct difference.
Charlie is correct the Super Sport esc and the SS5800 are about on par with a 19t motor.
What may have gone over looked above is that the new 4300 version in ANY mode on the Super Sport esc performs like a tuned 27t stocker. From Dyno results of several differnet brand stock motors and tuners.
Just wanted to clarify this distinct difference.
11-04-2003, 09:20 AM
#71
Tech Elite
Re: Re: Re: Re: charlie's post
Originally posted by rocketron
Again your correct but they are and have been being used and tested over the last 3 plus months.
Again your correct but they are and have been being used and tested over the last 3 plus months.
11-04-2003, 09:23 AM
#72
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: charlie's post
Originally posted by howard hudson
but that does not make it ok for the average joe to go out and buy a bl system and run it in a stock class when there was a BL class to run in at the same event or does it
but that does not make it ok for the average joe to go out and buy a bl system and run it in a stock class when there was a BL class to run in at the same event or does it
11-04-2003, 09:40 AM
#73
Tech Elite
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: charlie's post
Originally posted by Cracker78
who did that? Or more to the point... who let that happen?
who did that? Or more to the point... who let that happen?
11-04-2003, 09:40 AM
#74
Tech Elite
Originally posted by Evoracer
Won't make any difference trf......It seems there are just going to be a few people out there who feel more comfortable knowing they might have an edge over another driver if tweaking a motor is still part of the game.
Won't make any difference trf......It seems there are just going to be a few people out there who feel more comfortable knowing they might have an edge over another driver if tweaking a motor is still part of the game.
The RULES do NOT allow for BL Motors in Stock class and for very good reason. If you Guys are pushing for BL "Stock" in the same class with the brushed Motors, I'm sure it's not just because there is less maintenance.
add another $2.00 to the pot.
11-04-2003, 09:47 AM
#75
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: charlie's post
Originally posted by howard hudson
but that does not make it ok for the average joe to go out and buy a bl system and run it in a stock class when there was a BL class to run in at the same event or does it
but that does not make it ok for the average joe to go out and buy a bl system and run it in a stock class when there was a BL class to run in at the same event or does it
Progress and/or change is a tough undertaking and the brushless question brings this to light and brightly. It appears this was for many the first time being aware there is anything other than the Super Sport Motor 5800 motor.