JConcepts Thread
#3167
Is there a chart somewhere that explains the relative softness/attributes of the various "soft" compounds available? I'm trying to pick a good starting compound for front/rear bar codes on my 1/10 4wd buggy. The track I run at is indoor with hard packed cool surface that really responds well to run-in m3 holeshots and suburbs. I saw a little bit of a groove developing at the end of the race night, so that is what the surface will be in general as it gets treated with water from time to time and is generally maintained as a "moist pack" that starts to grove a little through the night.
As an example, last night I put on some new holeshots on the rear (because the ones I had run earlier were getting very close to the carcas) and I was sliding all over the place at the start of the main. Near the end, it was hooked. I sat the car down to marshal the next main, then put it back out after that race was over (it was the last main). The car was instantly hooked, so it wasn't the tires changing temperature, it was the tread breaking in.
So... from what I see, there are 3 soft compounds available in this tire.
So, does it go soft to softer blue -> gold -> orange, or perhaps blue -> orange -> gold?
It sounds like I want golds, but I really can't find any explanations.
As an example, last night I put on some new holeshots on the rear (because the ones I had run earlier were getting very close to the carcas) and I was sliding all over the place at the start of the main. Near the end, it was hooked. I sat the car down to marshal the next main, then put it back out after that race was over (it was the last main). The car was instantly hooked, so it wasn't the tires changing temperature, it was the tread breaking in.
So... from what I see, there are 3 soft compounds available in this tire.
- Blue: Soft, all conditions.
- Gold: Soft, indoor.
- Orange: Soft, groove conditions.
So, does it go soft to softer blue -> gold -> orange, or perhaps blue -> orange -> gold?
It sounds like I want golds, but I really can't find any explanations.
#3168
Tech Master
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#3169
#3170
TLRacing
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Is there a chart somewhere that explains the relative softness/attributes of the various "soft" compounds available? I'm trying to pick a good starting compound for front/rear bar codes on my 1/10 4wd buggy. The track I run at is indoor with hard packed cool surface that really responds well to run-in m3 holeshots and suburbs. I saw a little bit of a groove developing at the end of the race night, so that is what the surface will be in general as it gets treated with water from time to time and is generally maintained as a "moist pack" that starts to grove a little through the night.
As an example, last night I put on some new holeshots on the rear (because the ones I had run earlier were getting very close to the carcas) and I was sliding all over the place at the start of the main. Near the end, it was hooked. I sat the car down to marshal the next main, then put it back out after that race was over (it was the last main). The car was instantly hooked, so it wasn't the tires changing temperature, it was the tread breaking in.
So... from what I see, there are 3 soft compounds available in this tire.
So, does it go soft to softer blue -> gold -> orange, or perhaps blue -> orange -> gold?
It sounds like I want golds, but I really can't find any explanations.
As an example, last night I put on some new holeshots on the rear (because the ones I had run earlier were getting very close to the carcas) and I was sliding all over the place at the start of the main. Near the end, it was hooked. I sat the car down to marshal the next main, then put it back out after that race was over (it was the last main). The car was instantly hooked, so it wasn't the tires changing temperature, it was the tread breaking in.
So... from what I see, there are 3 soft compounds available in this tire.
- Blue: Soft, all conditions.
- Gold: Soft, indoor.
- Orange: Soft, groove conditions.
So, does it go soft to softer blue -> gold -> orange, or perhaps blue -> orange -> gold?
It sounds like I want golds, but I really can't find any explanations.
#3174
Tech Master
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tires
I have two pairs of Gold Barcodes that I am going to use for the front and rear on my xxxt-cr. I was wondering exactly how and where are the foams supposed to be cut to get the best traction out of the tire. They will be run on damp clay. Is there a certain way the tires have to be mounted on the rim?
Also, are the foams that come with the tire the best foams for the tire, or do I need to get firmer or softer or 2 stage foams to make the tire get better traction?
Thank for any info.
Also, are the foams that come with the tire the best foams for the tire, or do I need to get firmer or softer or 2 stage foams to make the tire get better traction?
Thank for any info.
#3175
The Golds are not in the same family of rubber as green, blue, orange, yellow, and white. Gold is a special rubber designed to work with wet clay. If you are running on dirt, the green, blue, orange, yellow and white compounds will work depending of the track conditions. If you are indoor on clay, you will probably want to start with golds, and go from there.
http://www.jconcepts.net/index.php?/...tail_details/1
Looks like I will be getting golds as a starting point.
#3176
TLRacing
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I think the revised tire guide disagrees with you on the bar codes. They say that gold is what you want on most hard surfaces and green is what you want on clay with them. In fact, they recommend only green for clay on the other tires as well.
http://www.jconcepts.net/index.php?/...tail_details/1
Looks like I will be getting golds as a starting point.
http://www.jconcepts.net/index.php?/...tail_details/1
Looks like I will be getting golds as a starting point.
#3177
Razathorn: Where are you located? Most indoor tracks, the Gold will be the choice. But it could be Blue as well. Location might help for a general guess.
#3178
I have used the tires extensively, I have a good idea of how they work. If you would like to post the conditions of your track, along with the tires setup people are using with different tire manufacturers, I can advise you as to which JConcepts tires I would use to ge the best results.
We are in kansas at an indoor dirt track. The dirt is hard packed moist (with a packer machine and from a race line developing. The surface looks like dirt colored wet clay -- it isn't clay, but it is a very fine dirt that you could mold somewhat like clay with your hands (i.e. it makes great dirt balls for throwing). Through the night, the track will take rubber, but only a light grove will develop in certain places like jump aces and busy fast corners -- that groove might appear blue if the dirt wasn't so dark, but it almost looks black (but I wouldn't call it black grove because it isn't from tons of rubber on the track).
My m3 holeshots work good normally. The other night it was especially slick as some track treatment was coming out, but worn in holeshots were hooked well. Soft suburbs work great too. I have run soft goose bumps there as well and they worked pretty good, better if the track was messy, but the hole shots were better and more sure footed all around. Some folks were playing around with the idea of running slicks, but that didn't work well for them at all .
Here's a video if that helps:
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#3180
I think the revised tire guide disagrees with you on the bar codes. They say that gold is what you want on most hard surfaces and green is what you want on clay with them. In fact, they recommend only green for clay on the other tires as well.
http://www.jconcepts.net/index.php?/...tail_details/1
Looks like I will be getting golds as a starting point.
http://www.jconcepts.net/index.php?/...tail_details/1
Looks like I will be getting golds as a starting point.