Team Br00d Racing Motors
10-01-2006, 10:31 PM
#3333
Tech Fanatic
Originally Posted by PitCrew
The motor will probably come with 19x1 engraved on the stacks. You can not get a hand wound motor that is TAGED (the white or yellow thing glued between the stacks.)
10-01-2006, 10:47 PM
#3334
Originally Posted by Hyper1
You CAN buy a legal handwound 19T motor with a tag.
Begs the question, "Legal for what?"
ROAR rule 8.6.9 re: 19-turn super stock motors (on- and off-road) specifies arm MUST be machine wound. I'd copy and paste the rule here, but the ROAR site has 'em in .pdf so no can copy. You'll have to take my word for it or look it up yourself.
The rules also put limits on balancing, banning epoxy balancing and limiting holes drilled for balance purposes (seemingly making "slots" illegal too).
They DO indicate oval are treated differently, and a 19-turn "modified" motor can certainly be re-wound, etc as any mod motor.
The key here is that any "real" 19-turn class you see are the "super stock" rules ala IIC, etc.
Scottrik
10-02-2006, 02:15 AM
#3335
Tech Fanatic
Scott,
Oval MUST be a little different cause we run handwound adjustable timing motors at every roar race I've ever attended,also at the local level.Every 19T motor I have is handwound and tagged and perfectly legal for roar competition,except the ones I've bought from Brood,which are not tagged,I was quite surprised when I received them without a tag,and am not sure I will be able to run them? They DO spin up quite nicely though.
Oval MUST be a little different cause we run handwound adjustable timing motors at every roar race I've ever attended,also at the local level.Every 19T motor I have is handwound and tagged and perfectly legal for roar competition,except the ones I've bought from Brood,which are not tagged,I was quite surprised when I received them without a tag,and am not sure I will be able to run them? They DO spin up quite nicely though.
10-02-2006, 05:33 AM
#3336
I did a little more looking on the ROAR rules. The oval motors are treated as Mod other than no mixing of components from other mfrs.
Rule 8.8.3.3 which allows hand-winding of mod motors specifies the armature must "bear a mark or tab identifying the armature and winder. Example: NAME 19X1, NAME 19T. Marks may include etching or engraving of the armature stacks and/or tags epoxied between the stack spacing"
Which seems to allow for a number of marking schemes besides actual tags, but surprising to me, it seems the tag NAME 19T could be used for either a super stock or mod motor. Perhaps the good Brood-ites can shed some light here.
Scottrik
Rule 8.8.3.3 which allows hand-winding of mod motors specifies the armature must "bear a mark or tab identifying the armature and winder. Example: NAME 19X1, NAME 19T. Marks may include etching or engraving of the armature stacks and/or tags epoxied between the stack spacing"
Which seems to allow for a number of marking schemes besides actual tags, but surprising to me, it seems the tag NAME 19T could be used for either a super stock or mod motor. Perhaps the good Brood-ites can shed some light here.
Scottrik
10-02-2006, 06:17 AM
#3337
Tech Adept
Originally Posted by Hyper1
Oval MUST be a little different cause we run handwound adjustable timing motors at every roar race I've ever attended
10-02-2006, 09:19 AM
#3338
We engrave them, which is 100% ROAR legal for the oval stuff.....you can tag them also, but to avoid any worries about people using our arms the wrong way, we don't tag anything....
Oval has a completely different set of 19t rules, as ROAR did not want to mess with their alreadys small racing scene, so they kept the handwound adjustable timing stuff.
Later EddieO
Oval has a completely different set of 19t rules, as ROAR did not want to mess with their alreadys small racing scene, so they kept the handwound adjustable timing stuff.
Later EddieO
10-02-2006, 09:28 AM
#3339
so, wich team brood motor is the "best" for indoor carpet 19t racing, small or big tracks?
is there any setup for "torque" and "rpm"?
thinking of buying a couple
is there any setup for "torque" and "rpm"?
thinking of buying a couple
10-02-2006, 10:37 AM
#3340
Originally Posted by erkan
so, wich team brood motor is the "best" for indoor carpet 19t racing, small or big tracks?
is there any setup for "torque" and "rpm"?
thinking of buying a couple
is there any setup for "torque" and "rpm"?
thinking of buying a couple
10-02-2006, 11:51 AM
#3341
oh.. must have missed that.. 
1:10 touring are we talking about.. i saw on the website that u can choose tuning options does that mean that all motors can be tuned for touring?
that v2 element looks nice.. but are the handwounded ones better maybe?
1:10 touring are we talking about.. i saw on the website that u can choose tuning options does that mean that all motors can be tuned for touring? that v2 element looks nice.. but are the handwounded ones better maybe?
10-02-2006, 11:54 AM
#3342
oh and peter i see u drive golf too, nice.. what model? i have a '93 GTI VR6 myself 
10-02-2006, 12:38 PM
#3343
Originally Posted by erkan
oh.. must have missed that.. 1:10 touring are we talking about.. i saw on the website that u can choose tuning options does that mean that all motors can be tuned for touring?
that v2 element looks nice.. but are the handwounded ones better maybe?
1:10 touring are we talking about.. i saw on the website that u can choose tuning options does that mean that all motors can be tuned for touring? that v2 element looks nice.. but are the handwounded ones better maybe?
if your club allows handwound 19T then yes, they are much better than the machine wound version. we can tune the motors for whatever application you want.
my golf is 1993 A3 body style, 2.0L 8V. Eurosport intake, H&R Cup Suspension, custom exhaust system with high-flow cat and magnaflow straight thru muffler. gotta clean out my garage so i can start building the new motor
10-02-2006, 12:52 PM
#3344
Originally Posted by peter_robinson
if your club allows handwound 19T then yes, they are much better than the machine wound version. we can tune the motors for whatever application you want.
ill try out my new fantom atlas 19t at this weekends race and see what the competition is..
Originally Posted by peter_robinson
my golf is 1993 A3 body style, 2.0L 8V. Eurosport intake, H&R Cup Suspension, custom exhaust system with high-flow cat and magnaflow straight thru muffler. gotta clean out my garage so i can start building the new motor
mine is pretty standard 2.8l vr6 with a BMC intake with hard tubes and 2.5" catback exhaust and 17" momo wheels
10-02-2006, 03:30 PM
#3345
Originally Posted by erkan
nice setup
mine is pretty standard 2.8l vr6 with a BMC intake with hard tubes and 2.5" catback exhaust and 17" momo wheels