Jonny5

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This is the elephant in the room that you should all be talking about.

ta_man

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The wire measurement in the photo posted by Steve Pond in the on-road thread on this subject is way bigger than any standard tolerance on 20 guage wire.

Matt Howard

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Ron is not "in charge of ROAR" and if you read the onroad thread he recused himself with anything to do with measuring the Trinity motors just so he wouldn't be accused of anything like this.

Cpt.America

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nobody knows what wire that is. Here is Jeff from Fantom, cracking up a brand new 3.5 shipped two days ago, and the wire gauge is dead smack in the middle of nominal sized 20awg wire. Here is the picture

http://www.rctech.net/forum/11696024-post378.html

Something fishy is going on. I got $10 we see a reversal once all the info comes to light.

nv529

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Glass scale calipers are the absolute worst way to measure anything when we're talking about tolerance ranges within 4 place decimal. Calibrated carbide tipped micrometers with .0001" visual scale or .00005" digital scale and pressure sensitive/spring loaded ratchet should be used, Always!

Cpt.America

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So while they may not be ideal, are you suggesting that these calipers are under measuring by .0003? .0320 is dead smack middle, .0322 is max. .0323 to be illegal.

(i think i got that right)

nv529

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Yes it is possible they can measure undersize the readout of digital calipers can easily be altered in many ways..

1) They are pressure sensitive, you and I can come up with 2 different measurements using the same set of calipers simply by how much pressure is applied to the test piece

2) They can easily be "zeroed out/calibrated" at any location throughout its travel range by simply pressing the "origin" button. What this means is you can make 1.000" block read .2500" by simply measuring a .7500" block and then hit the origin button. Lets say the wire is really .035 and you wanted to trick everyone on the Interwebz into believing the wire is .032" all you'll need is a piece of paper (roughly .003-.004 thick) to "zero out" on then recheck your part which now reads .032

3) Soft and small test pieces should never be measured at the bottom of a caliper near the blade tips. You can easily indent the test piece which will give you a false reading.

4) Digital calipers round to the nearest .0005"

nv529

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double post

orangutanracer

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That caliper is only accurate to +/- .001"

tc5 man

Yea i never been to a indoor track at least that has anybody who races in a 1.75 class its usually a open class which i like and it down on cheaters . So there is only driver skill factors really. Heck i ran a 13.5 Sensored Novak motor in my 2wd and ran right with the guys with the bigger motors.


I do agree with a guy on here that said with lipos and brushless motors being out for a long time now why have a stock class. Plus it cuts down on cheating.

Tom87

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So do they use different wire in the rev tech's? Just saying if its a supply issue, every 17.5 from the same manufacture should be out.

I run mod, but hope this gets over turned and they change the rules to have a tolerance because this kind of action can turn a lot of people away from the sport.

ta_man

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There (bolded above) is an obviously false statement. The person doing the measurement knows what that wire is. You may chose to believe he is lying about what it is to further some ulterior motive, but to say "nobody knows" is flat wrong.

neu2this

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Funny thing is people will flock out and buy the D3.5 now for 2 reasons. 1) they know it has an advantage. 2) they might be worried it will be discontinued and they want to 'stock' up.

I am now thinking I am being forced to buy one if I race at a track that allows them just to keep.

Davidka

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I hadn't seen that. I saw Fantom's president's letter that outlines the AWG standard and understand that the rule's wording is pretty flawed but if the wire is outside of the AWG standard tolerance for 20g then Trinity has a problem. Even so, everyone with skin in the game seems pretty surprised and outraged and that could/should have been avoided. This industry isn't strong enough to absorb huge losses.

Do you know about what page that post is in?

Cpt.America

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man, look at these split ends!