The reason for the lack of mod drivers...
06-19-2009, 02:15 PM
#287
Tech Initiate
seaball
sorry for my english
here in Portugal are pilots who want to limit mod also (even on these tracks) and itīs because they listen the top world pilots talking about the overpower with lipo but i donīt agree because they usually drive on small tracks.
the worlds track is a backyard and i didnīt see anyone driving 5 cell, so were they overpowered? perhaps but i didnīt see anyone mind with that.
when voelker was in Portugal (december 2008), i asked if he had run lipo already and he told me never did, i run lipo already for 3 years. so thatīs why i doubt about certain things.
my point is, let even the top world pilots drive on large track and wait for their opinion.
in Europe most of them run 5 cells (mod) yet and have some large tracks
in US you drive lipo (mod)but donīt have tracks for that
so letīs uniform the things and then take an opinion
sorry for my english
here in Portugal are pilots who want to limit mod also (even on these tracks) and itīs because they listen the top world pilots talking about the overpower with lipo but i donīt agree because they usually drive on small tracks.
the worlds track is a backyard and i didnīt see anyone driving 5 cell, so were they overpowered? perhaps but i didnīt see anyone mind with that.
when voelker was in Portugal (december 2008), i asked if he had run lipo already and he told me never did, i run lipo already for 3 years. so thatīs why i doubt about certain things.
my point is, let even the top world pilots drive on large track and wait for their opinion.
in Europe most of them run 5 cells (mod) yet and have some large tracks
in US you drive lipo (mod)but donīt have tracks for that
so letīs uniform the things and then take an opinion
06-19-2009, 02:21 PM
#288
So not to pick on the IIC or any other large US indoor race...but to get back to the original post...if they were held at venues like this and the track layout was similar (large, flowing, no hard borders) would mod have a better turnout? Also I would think running 17.5 on a track this large wouldn't be as appealing.
So is asking for venues like this too much to ask the large indoor race promoters? Is this was US racers want?
So is asking for venues like this too much to ask the large indoor race promoters? Is this was US racers want?
06-19-2009, 02:24 PM
#289
What I find most welcome and refreshing about this thread is that we have had top level drivers posting, suggesting there is a problem, and trying to come up with viable solutions that will work in the United States.
If more Mod/top level/sponsored drivers were like this at the track, I personally would be more willing to race mod or classes that they run. One issue that I see never discussed is that the top level drivers are so much into their own corner at the track that they don't have time to be ambassador's or proper sponsors for this sport. I don't blame them since they are trying to win. However if they are spending so much time trying to repair their cars because they are going faster than a track will allow, how is that going to attract more entries?
I think we are seeing in the recent photos that having tracks that are more forgiving of mistakes are better for racing. Having 2x4 barriers is even bad for silver can racing .
One funny thing is that there is an excellent outdoor r/c facility near Cincinnati, Ohio at Joyce Park that never has any electric mod racers. That track I believe has hosted the 1/8 Worlds at some point. I've heard comments that the track is too big for even the fastest electric touring cars and even seems slow. Maybe the technology of electric mod has finally caught up to this facility. Here is a link to the club that runs at the track (http://www.tsrcar.com/). You must be a member of ROAR to race.
Here is a driver that you might recognize. You can get an idea of the size of this track in the background.
If more Mod/top level/sponsored drivers were like this at the track, I personally would be more willing to race mod or classes that they run. One issue that I see never discussed is that the top level drivers are so much into their own corner at the track that they don't have time to be ambassador's or proper sponsors for this sport. I don't blame them since they are trying to win. However if they are spending so much time trying to repair their cars because they are going faster than a track will allow, how is that going to attract more entries?
I think we are seeing in the recent photos that having tracks that are more forgiving of mistakes are better for racing. Having 2x4 barriers is even bad for silver can racing .
One funny thing is that there is an excellent outdoor r/c facility near Cincinnati, Ohio at Joyce Park that never has any electric mod racers. That track I believe has hosted the 1/8 Worlds at some point. I've heard comments that the track is too big for even the fastest electric touring cars and even seems slow. Maybe the technology of electric mod has finally caught up to this facility. Here is a link to the club that runs at the track (http://www.tsrcar.com/). You must be a member of ROAR to race.
Here is a driver that you might recognize. You can get an idea of the size of this track in the background.
06-19-2009, 02:26 PM
#290
Skiddins said
I invite anyone who has said unlimited 2s lipo is good to post video's of their driving...I could do with a laugh
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjmcP0Coe6Q
be my guest
remember again GM 6T Delta + GM 4200 30C + GM GENIUS 120 and 1400g
and the others about the same.
but the question is in US the tracks are not for mod so keep it that way stay in stock.
I invite anyone who has said unlimited 2s lipo is good to post video's of their driving...I could do with a laugh
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjmcP0Coe6Q
be my guest
remember again GM 6T Delta + GM 4200 30C + GM GENIUS 120 and 1400g
and the others about the same.
but the question is in US the tracks are not for mod so keep it that way stay in stock.
Couldn't help but notice that one of the cars spun out off the line!
There was also virtually no overtaking, only when a car in front crashed, after a couple of laps the cars spaced out by a large amount, then that was it for the rest of the race.
Where's the door to door action as people defend for lap after lap. The US tracks are very small but at least the racing is very close.
To my eyes the Portuguese track is too big for close racing and the US track too small, oh well.
06-19-2009, 02:30 PM
#291
So not to pick on the IIC or any other large US indoor race...but to get back to the original post...if they were held at venues like this and the track layout was similar (large, flowing, no hard borders) would mod have a better turnout? Also I would think running 17.5 on a track this large wouldn't be as appealing.
So is asking for venues like this too much to ask the large indoor race promoters? Is this was US racers want?
So is asking for venues like this too much to ask the large indoor race promoters? Is this was US racers want?
The IIC is in September...I'm sure the track layout hasn't been finalized. For all those who are in favor of a "European" layout, I suggest we/they email Scotty to see if this is something that he'll consider. And do the same for other large indoor races. I don't see the harm in asking. I'd be interested to see how the entries would differ if the IIC were run on a track like the DHI Cup...
06-19-2009, 02:30 PM
#292
Here is a link on Google Maps to the track at Joyce Park in Hamilton Ohio (near Cinicinnati, OH). You can get an idea of the size of this track from the photo (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&sour...06866&t=h&z=17)
06-19-2009, 02:35 PM
#293
Marc hit it full wood, and by some kind of miracle, didn't break his car. He went on to win mod rubber, though it took a pretty aggressive pass on Victor to do it. Watch how careful he is through that section on the last lap. 
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06-19-2009, 02:41 PM
#294
Tech Initiate
IndyRC_Racer try to go there and put a 2s and 6 or 7 delta or similar and then let us know what you think about.
why not electric on there?
never saw nitro guys upset of running large tracks but probably theyīll be if you give them a small track.
itīs funny isnīt it?
why not electric on there?
never saw nitro guys upset of running large tracks but probably theyīll be if you give them a small track.
itīs funny isnīt it?
Last edited by jopor; 06-19-2009 at 03:12 PM.
06-19-2009, 02:56 PM
#295
One funny thing is that there is an excellent outdoor r/c facility near Cincinnati, Ohio at Joyce Park that never has any electric mod racers. That track I believe has hosted the 1/8 Worlds at some point. I've heard comments that the track is too big for even the fastest electric touring cars and even seems slow. Maybe the technology of electric mod has finally caught up to this facility.
(300 post in, and post #1 is suddenly more relevant than ever).
06-19-2009, 03:27 PM
#296
I don't usually quote my own post but...
The IIC is in September...I'm sure the track layout hasn't been finalized. For all those who are in favor of a "European" layout, I suggest we/they email Scotty to see if this is something that he'll consider. And do the same for other large indoor races. I don't see the harm in asking. I'd be interested to see how the entries would differ if the IIC were run on a track like the DHI Cup...
The IIC is in September...I'm sure the track layout hasn't been finalized. For all those who are in favor of a "European" layout, I suggest we/they email Scotty to see if this is something that he'll consider. And do the same for other large indoor races. I don't see the harm in asking. I'd be interested to see how the entries would differ if the IIC were run on a track like the DHI Cup...
I hate the typical carpet layouts ran here in the U.S..
06-19-2009, 03:52 PM
#298
orange car Brett Sisley, 2s lipo 4.5, white car that catches him and then breaks, Travis Schevren 2s lipo 6.5
everyone else, various motors but all with lipo or 6 cell
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ApZj-dskg8
btw, we need some factory guys to come out and play August 7-8 for our Summer Sizzler, Tacoma, Washington
everyone else, various motors but all with lipo or 6 cell
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ApZj-dskg8
btw, we need some factory guys to come out and play August 7-8 for our Summer Sizzler, Tacoma, Washington
06-19-2009, 05:53 PM
#299
Suspended
Nick, now tell everyone where you qualified, and what class you were in 
You're actually helping their argument by proving their point
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In the UK Mod were having trouble keeping drivers as motors were grenading, speedo's melting etc. The decision was taken to try 5cell as this would reduce the heat build up etc as well as reduce wear etc.
It has worked! Most track records have been beaten in the modified class as the cars are now better balanced which makes them easier to drive which in turn makes them easier to race wheel to wheel while there are very few failures.
At the moment the use of 2s lipo's is allowed but with a 6.5 motor limit at 1500g (5cell is 1425g), these are allowed to run alongside the 5cell unlimited cars and are comparable (there are attempts at the moment to reduce the 6.5 weight limit to move it inline with 5cell).
The best drivers in the country think that 5cell has been a success and I don't think I need to tell you how good some of them are
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Perhaps a similar limit would make sense in the US?
I've noticed that a lot of permanent tracks in the US seem to be small indoor facilities, not the larger asphalt tracks we are lucky enough to have over here, that makes a big difference and I invite anyone who has said unlimited 2s lipo is good to post video's of their driving...I could do with a laugh
If those people think they are good enough they would be the best, they aren't, and I bet if we look closely their results at every level will prove it!
Think about the bigger picture, racing in a heat of 2 or 3 is not racing.
Skiddins.
P.S. the first of the tracks pictured above is WLRC, which I am very lucky to have as my home track.
It is also the smallest of the tracks for this years UK nationals!!
You're actually helping their argument by proving their point
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In the UK Mod were having trouble keeping drivers as motors were grenading, speedo's melting etc. The decision was taken to try 5cell as this would reduce the heat build up etc as well as reduce wear etc.
It has worked! Most track records have been beaten in the modified class as the cars are now better balanced which makes them easier to drive which in turn makes them easier to race wheel to wheel while there are very few failures.
At the moment the use of 2s lipo's is allowed but with a 6.5 motor limit at 1500g (5cell is 1425g), these are allowed to run alongside the 5cell unlimited cars and are comparable (there are attempts at the moment to reduce the 6.5 weight limit to move it inline with 5cell).
The best drivers in the country think that 5cell has been a success and I don't think I need to tell you how good some of them are
.Perhaps a similar limit would make sense in the US?
I've noticed that a lot of permanent tracks in the US seem to be small indoor facilities, not the larger asphalt tracks we are lucky enough to have over here, that makes a big difference and I invite anyone who has said unlimited 2s lipo is good to post video's of their driving...I could do with a laugh
If those people think they are good enough they would be the best, they aren't, and I bet if we look closely their results at every level will prove it!
Think about the bigger picture, racing in a heat of 2 or 3 is not racing.
Skiddins.
P.S. the first of the tracks pictured above is WLRC, which I am very lucky to have as my home track.
It is also the smallest of the tracks for this years UK nationals!!
06-19-2009, 06:15 PM
#300
Tech Master
iTrader: (34)
That is a huge track and they run what? 5 cells and rubber tires?
Can we get a recap Goetz? I just spent last night catching up with this thread (all 15 pages) and now I get back on here and there are already 5 more pages of posts...in less than one day...really?! Has it come down to that modified foam racing in the U.S. is just plain too fast? It's hard to compare it to anything else but I imagine it being like strapping two jet engines to Lewis Hamilton's McLaren Mercedes F1 car and sending him on his way at Monaco, Monte Carlo. How do you think he would do?
Is Lipo creating a problem with the lack of options with only having the choice of 1S/3.7V/too slow or 2S/7.4V/too fast, for TC at least? Is there anyway to limit the output voltage on the 2S lipo? I don't know a thing about voltage regulators except that they regulate voltage and there's something about all those amps...but is that something that is even possible. A required voltage regulator to bring the voltage to 6V(make it easy to tech of course) for mod tc, the equivalent of 5 cell mod racing that seems to be working for those across the pond. A restrictor plate of sorts. For 12th scale, seems 1S lipo without a motor limit would make mod 12th more accessible, which is where 12th scale is heading anyway, right? 1S for all pan classes as a new ROAR rule already, I think? I would totally run modified if it were more accessible and I'll have you know when classes at the Nationals were only stock and mod, I did run mod...but back then the cars were way more drivable because of a much more controllable speed.
Can we get a recap Goetz? I just spent last night catching up with this thread (all 15 pages) and now I get back on here and there are already 5 more pages of posts...in less than one day...really?! Has it come down to that modified foam racing in the U.S. is just plain too fast? It's hard to compare it to anything else but I imagine it being like strapping two jet engines to Lewis Hamilton's McLaren Mercedes F1 car and sending him on his way at Monaco, Monte Carlo. How do you think he would do?
Is Lipo creating a problem with the lack of options with only having the choice of 1S/3.7V/too slow or 2S/7.4V/too fast, for TC at least? Is there anyway to limit the output voltage on the 2S lipo? I don't know a thing about voltage regulators except that they regulate voltage and there's something about all those amps...but is that something that is even possible. A required voltage regulator to bring the voltage to 6V(make it easy to tech of course) for mod tc, the equivalent of 5 cell mod racing that seems to be working for those across the pond. A restrictor plate of sorts. For 12th scale, seems 1S lipo without a motor limit would make mod 12th more accessible, which is where 12th scale is heading anyway, right? 1S for all pan classes as a new ROAR rule already, I think? I would totally run modified if it were more accessible and I'll have you know when classes at the Nationals were only stock and mod, I did run mod...but back then the cars were way more drivable because of a much more controllable speed.